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    Who in the world speaks "Igbo"?
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    Igbo language

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    Igbo (Igbo)Spoken in: Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, othersRegion: Nigeria and other countries

    Total speakers:18 million Ranking: 50 Genetic classification: Niger-Congo
    Atlantic-Congo
    Volta-Congo
    Benue-Congo
    Igboid

    Igbo Official statusOfficial language of:NigeriaRegulated by:---Language codesISO 639-1igISO 639-2iboSILIGRSee also: Language Ė List of languagesIgbo (also known, less commonly, as Ibo; asụsụ Ndi Igbo in Igbo) is a language spoken in Nigeria by around 18 million speakers (the Igbo), especially in the southeastern region once identified as Biafra. The language was used by John Goldsmith as an example to justify going away from the classical linear model of phonology as laid out in The Sound Pattern of English. It is written in the Roman script. Igbo words are spoken with varying tones and stresses, which are marked by accent marks.
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    More useless knowledge to share with my poor wife! 18 million people speak Igbo, in Nigeria. . . . who knew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AidansDad
    I'm Christian, and I like history of religions. But still, that place sounds like the most boring place in the world. Ever.
    This park does indeed sound like tourture!

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    It sounds like you'd have to be pretty hard-core religious to really have a good time at that place.

    I like to think of myself as a pretty religious guy. I attend church weekly (when I'm at home in CT that is... I just never found one I liked down here in FL), and although I've never actually gone and read the bible just for kicks or random inspiration, I'm fairly familiar with its teachings through sunday school, first comunion classes, confirmation classes, and the countless sermons and readings I've listened to over the years since I was in elementary school. When I was in high school, I became VERY involved with my church youth group. I was a youth group officer for three years, played in the bell choir, played drums for my youth group when we got to perform for our congregation, sang a bit (not my strong point), and was basically involved in just about everything our youth group did in the years I could participate. But what I really loved was going on trips with the youth group: beach trips, camping trips, retreats, concerts, even a national youth gathering in St. Louis. It was all a ton of fun, and I did seem to develop stronger ties to my faith as a result. And we got to meet a lot of cool people and bands and stuff. There just was nothing like rocking out at a great show with a great band and some of your closest friends. Sometimes it was just good fun, other times it got real emoptional and sappy... either way I loved it all the same.

    I've known some pretty hard core religious folk. Some of my good friends down here at school were pretty good examples. Highlighted bibles with pages turned down for quick reference, an up to date prayer book with daily entries, biblical passages taped to their computer monitors, desks, and car dashboards, an impressive selection of christian bands in their CD collection (ok, that one i'm a bit guilty of myself), and prone to make random inspirational quotes like "relax, God's in charge". I may not be "hard core"-religious like that, but I do like to believe I'm pretty strong in my faith.

    ... And yet, based on your review, I'm pretty sure I'd be rather unimpressed by the Holy Land Experience. Sounds like a bad sermon that goes on all day. I'm all about learning about your faith and its origins and stuff, but listening to a history lesson from a guy in a robe just doesn't do it for me. I'd rather hike to the top of a mountain with 15 or so of my closest friends, take a few moments to reflect on the awesome Earth below that was given to us. Then we'll pop open the bible and just spend 20 minutes or so breaking apart a small passage and talking about what it means to us. Or maybe we'll go see a great band or inspirational speaker that really makes you stop and reflect on your life or your morals, and make you feel so much better about yourself and your faith. Walking through a Jerusalem mock-up listening to sermons and history lessons, and getting chased down by people trying to make you believe the same things they believe... that to me just isn't inspirational. Probably more like annoying.

    You know what I kind of would like to do though? Both Disney and Universal have a weekend each year (Night of Joy at WDW, and Rock the Universe at US) where they feature some incredible Christian performers and speakers... not including the fact that you get to play in the park for additional hours. One of my buddies went to Rock the Universe in 2003 and said it was awesome. I didn't go with him only because I couldn't afford the ticket. I didn't even know Disney did one of these kinda of events until just recently. Turns out both WDW and US had their 2005 sows this past weekend (the 9th and 10th). I wish I'd known... I probably would have gone. Oh well... maybe next year. Anyone want to make a date to go with me next year? I could finally have something to make a countdown for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainStreet, USA
    I like to think of myself as a pretty religious guy. I attend church weekly (when I'm at home in CT that is... I just never found one I liked down here in FL),
    just wanted to say HI! From Danbury area in CT myself...
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    Hi back!

    Nice to see another CTer on the board. It seems that CT, for such a small state, has quite a large turnout here. I'm quite impressed. Go us!

    I look forward to seeing more of you around the boards.
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    I have to admit I find it a little upsetting that WDW has anything related to a specific religion happening on porperty. At least it is a separate event, but I'm sure the park closed early and the Non-Christians went home sad and much earlier than they hoped to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PigletIsMyCat
    I have to admit I find it a little upsetting that WDW has anything related to a specific religion happening on porperty. At least it is a separate event, but I'm sure the park closed early and the Non-Christians went home sad and much earlier than they hoped to.
    The parks closed at 6pm and there was no Wishes those nights. . . . the guests here at Shades of Green that did not know about this were, to say the least, a bit upset. Of course those that did know and were able to get tickets (the event sold out both nights) had an awsome time.

    I had just as many complaints about Night of Joy as I get for Gay days. Special events are nice. . . . but they really need to include everyone, what if you are (insert non-christian faith HERE)?

    P.S. no tomatoes please. . . . I'm a Christian and would love to go to NOJ sometime.
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    That is the problem, the 'insert your faith here'. And complain about Gay Days all you want (not YOU you, you in the general sense lol) but it is not a Disney Sanctioned event. It is a bunch of gay/lesbian/bisexual people who decided to hang out in Orlando on the same weekend. Granted, a pretty big bunch, but whatever.
    But I agree. If you cater to one group, you should cater to them all.

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    P.S. no tomatoes please. . . . I'm a Christian and would love to go to NOJ sometime.
    Afraid of tomatoes for being Christian and wanting to go to NOJ.... what has this board come to?

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    I can't wait to experince NOJ (or even RTU at US for that matter), but at the same time, I can totally understand and respect the dissatisfaction that must be experienced on the part of those who cannot or will not take part. I would hate to be kicked out of the park early so that an exclusive group could have it all to themselves for an additional few hours.

    It's not just Disney that does this though. At the park i work at, we cater specifically to the needs of a couple of Jewish camps throughout the course of the summer. We closed up a bit early and hurried everyone else out of the park. We staffed the park almost entirely with TMs (we call ourselves team members instead of cast members) of the appropriate gender depending on the gender of the camps coming in. We allowed them to create their own menu at our catering pavilions to their necessities. The park is theirs and theirs exclusively from 8pm til midnight on those nights. Other days we open sections of the park earlier in the morning before the public opening to let groups such as these have private park hours then. We jump through hoops to provide these serivces, even though it's often a terrible inconvenience for both ourselves and sometimes our regular guests. but it is done primarily (i believe anyway... ) because it is profitable. These groups pay big dollars to have exclusive use of the park and things just their way.

    I'm sure, by watching how fast NOJ and RTU sell out, that they are very profitable for the parks to hold, and is probably a huge reason for why they do them. And they don't just do special events for religious purposes either. Look at the not-so-scary halloween party and the very merry x-mas party... those close down the park early and give exclusive rights to those who purchased an additional ticket. it's the same thing at NOJ really... nobody says you have to be Christian to buy a ticket. If you just absolutely HAVE to see MK on one of those two nights, make sure you plan ahead and buy a ticket. Just don't go watch the performances, that's all.

    At least Disney offers plenty of other places you can go if you aren't going to NOJ. RTU is kinda the same way. Back in 2003, four of us went to US on that day, even though only one of us had a ticket to RTU. While he went into US in the afternoon and stayed to party through RTU, the rest of us went to IOA until it closed, and then hung out on CityWalk and kept ourselves busy until RTU was over and we could all meet back up. So even though US was off limits for me that day, it was still worth the trip. And as we already know, WDW offers lots more to do than US/IOA does... so it's not like your whole trip will be a waste if you can't go to the MK for one evening.

    (BTW... I was totally serious in my last post about wanting to go to NOJ or RTU 2006 if anyone is interested in going with me. It's a year off, but give it some thought nonetheless. )

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    It's not even so much the fact that 'I can't go to the park with the Chrsitians' it is the fact that they cater specifically to Christians. And it's not just in the parks, it is everywhere in our country, but it just pisses me off that a company like Disney has to let religion get involved anywhere. The Christmas Party is not incredibly religious, it is very snowy and wintery and (I have never been there) but I am sure it is not appealing to Christians only. I have absolutely NO desire to hear people sing about loving their God, not even the really talented ones like Jars of Clay. That is not why I go to Disney. If I wanted that, I'd go to The Holy Land Experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by PigletIsMyCat
    And complain about Gay Days all you want (not YOU you, you in the general sense lol) but it is not a Disney Sanctioned event. It is a bunch of gay/lesbian/bisexual people who decided to hang out in Orlando on the same weekend. Granted, a pretty big bunch, but whatever.
    A bit off topic:
    Despite misinformation to the contrary, if you have worked at WDW as long as I have you become very aware that Gay Days is about as sanctioned by Disney as you can get. One small example: The official website for Gay Days (won't post the link) has the official Logos of the 4 parks and reads as follows: "Gay Day in the Magic Kingdom--16 Magical years! Expect to relive your childhood at the Magic Kingdom during Gay Days 2006. Join us as family from around the world meet with all of our favorite childhood characters and become awed at the sights and sounds of the glittery (and VERY gay) emphasis is theirs street parade."

    How can one hold a parade in the Magic Kingdom without approval?

    I'm not bashing, once again, If you have worked on WDW long enough you have to become very tolerant. Everyone deserves a little WDW style fun. I just don't want anyone to be misinformed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigletIsMyCat
    I have to admit I find it a little upsetting that WDW has anything related to a specific religion happening on porperty. At least it is a separate event, but I'm sure the park closed early and the Non-Christians went home sad and much earlier than they hoped to.
    I find it even more unsettling that they use religion for profit at Disney in some areas just like Holy Land. The fact that they have a "chapel" at Disney is quite odd. I know that when my husband and I got married, our Catholic priest told us that the bishop does not allow Catholic ceremonies at the Disney Wedding Chapel because of its commercialism. You can have an additional ceremony there, but you'd have to do another short one before or after somewhere the Catholic church will recognize, such as the beach, social hall, etc.

    People are complaining on here how Holy Land is religion getting more money. That's incorrect. The man who made up this place, a former Jewish man who converted, gets his money out of it and doesn't donate it to Christian churches. In fact, he's selling entertainment that people are choosing. I know it's not been published, but the Catholic bishop does not support field trips to Holy Land.

    Oh! Don't forget. Disney allowed a religious exhibit in the park for over a year, "Journey to Jerusalem."
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadesofgreen
    A bit off topic:
    Despite misinformation to the contrary, if you have worked at WDW as long as I have you become very aware that Gay Days is about as sanctioned by Disney as you can get. One small example: The official website for Gay Days (won't post the link) has the official Logos of the 4 parks and reads as follows: "Gay Day in the Magic Kingdom--16 Magical years! Expect to relive your childhood at the Magic Kingdom during Gay Days 2006. Join us as family from around the world meet with all of our favorite childhood characters and become awed at the sights and sounds of the glittery (and VERY gay) emphasis is theirs street parade."

    How can one hold a parade in the Magic Kingdom without approval?

    I'm not bashing, once again, If you have worked on WDW long enough you have to become very tolerant. Everyone deserves a little WDW style fun. I just don't want anyone to be misinformed.
    (now really dodging tomatoes!)
    Well, you can always start a parade by just having people follow you around. Disney, Sea World, and Universal can't prevent anyone from entering their park if they are peaceful. If they are with a group, it doesn't matter either.
    Now is the time. Now is the best time. Now is the best time of your life. Life is a prize. Live every minute. Open your eyes and watch how you win it. Yesterdays memories may sparkle and gleam. Tomorrow is still but a dream! Remember the past, but live for today. The whole world is watching and your in the parade. There's so much to cheer for, be glad you're here for it's the best time of your life!

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