Originally Posted by Mo Noyz
The imagineers were responsible for designing the Engine and the metal fence the old imagineers designed the Duck Boat. That fence around the Engine should be an embarrassment and I'd bet no Imagineer would ever put that Engine/Fence on their resume.
Obviously construction firms are hired out to do the builds. Imagineers just can't get their act together in a timely fashion so ground can be broken. And when they do you wind up with FLE stall and redesign and the never ending Wharf saga. Universal started to build the beautiful Cinematic Spectacular, (which is narrated better than anything Disney has narrated in a while) after the wharf was started. Spectacular is up and running, the Wharf, well Disney is still Waffling.
And to be clear, if Universal were trying to build Epcot today it would take them just as long. Ever-changing and stricter building codes, as well as ever-changing and stricter OSHA standards play a very big part in everything being done.
I find that statement about Universal/Epcot to be pure conjector. Universal has a better track record in recent years of just getting their act together quicker than Disney can. I've yet to see Disney in the last few years pull off a demo and rebuild as quickly as Universal currently is. Heck, Disney couldn't even demo the FL Skyway in the timeframe Universal did with Stage 44 and the skyway was a tiny little building. In place of the skyway that was demo'd Disney is building a restroom. This should not have been mind boggling build for Disney. It has been how long since they broke ground on that building? March? or maybe before, no where near completion. It isn't like they have never built a restroom before.
As for OSHA, both corporations are dealing with the same labor safety issues and it doesn't make a difference if it is a park, an attraction or a rehab. The standards are the same safety requirements for labor. Maybe OSHA has more issues with Disney, that is possible and that could slow Disney down. Maybe Universal complies better from the get-go. Disney has been caught in the OSHA web for not being compliant twice with the Primemal Whirl and with the monorail operation so it is possible that OSHA needs to watch Disney projects more closely given the deaths of workers on their property the last few years.
Now, Harry Pooterville "broke ground" in January 2008. It officially opened on June 18, 2010. And let's keep in mind they weren't building an entirely new land. Most of it used a previously built section of the park.
So roughly 2 1/2 years and it is an entirely new land, it wasn't like Toad to Pooh or Barnstormer to the Great Goofini or SWSA to Meet and Greet or a half new attraction with one new Dumbo.
There is no way Disney is going to come in under the timeframe Univeral pulled off with Harry or even close to matching it as you indicate.
A good chunk of the foot print from the FLE expansion was repurposed. All of Toon along with all of the area where 20K was straight across to Pinoccio, which included a splash area and Pooh's Thoughtful play area. Also a chunk of FLE behind that was an off stage area and beyond that a parking area with infrastructure.
The last I read FLE will not complete its second of two attractions until 2014, so another 2 long years, almost the time it took Universal to build Harry and that is IF Disney can pull the coaster off by 2014! It will be interesting to see if Disney's coaster is an equal comp to Harry's.
Compare that to the FL expansion, and we're looking at a similar time frame.