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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    I'm glad its getting updated,it wont beat the new Harry Potter land at IOA though.


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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Don't be to sure on that. At first, yes hp will be a draw. Also consider universal has ways of screwing up projects. In the long run, Disney has one thing universal does not have and that is real estate.
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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    I think that's comparing apples and peanuts. I don't get the competition with Harry Potter/Universal. Universal isn't going to poach Disney fans in the long run. I'm a huge Potter fan and would probably like to check Universal out once its open. But Universal doesn't have the same long term appeal to me, especially now that its classic rides are almost all closed. There just isn't a lot of draw there. So even if people go there for Potter, they're all going to go back to Disney again and again.

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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    I think Garryz is right. Disney does have the real estate to expand. But I disagree with you Disney's Folly. I think that as Universal picks up more attractions like HP and the admission prices keep going up at WDW I think yo'll see a few jump ship. We are talking about doing a Universal only trip next year. We can stay with family in Orlando, hit Universal for a week AND get their meal plan for all five of us for less then one total day at Disney.

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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Quote Originally Posted by ohiodisneydad View Post
    I think Garryz is right. Disney does have the real estate to expand. But I disagree with you Disney's Folly. I think that as Universal picks up more attractions like HP and the admission prices keep going up at WDW I think yo'll see a few jump ship. We are talking about doing a Universal only trip next year. We can stay with family in Orlando, hit Universal for a week AND get their meal plan for all five of us for less then one total day at Disney.

    Disney is still my favorite but sometimes you have to vote your wallet.
    I understand the financial issues but Universal is going to eventually have to increase theirs if they want to pick up more franchises like Harry Potter. Ultimately your scenario does make sense when you look at it from that angle, but I think a lot of people still view it as a lesser experience. In the long run, Disney is still going to do better.

    Oh and what else have they really picked up in the last 10 years that comes close to Harry Potter? It's not like this is part of some increasing trend for them. They struck it with Potter (and are banking a lot on it) but haven't done much else over the years that has struck gold. Shrek, The Mummy, Twister and Men in Black aren't exactly franchises showing the type of iconic potential that can sustain that park over decades like Disney has had with its icons, not to mention is having with newer ones like Pixar characters.

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    I've traveled to the World loyally for 25 years and less frequently to DL and DW since I was 18 months old and I totally agree with Ohiodisneydad While on a school board convention 5 years ago we stayed on property at Universal. My family hit the parks as I attended the convention by day at parks by night. I was very impressed. What initially hit me was their young children's area. The imagineering of these attractions was head over heels better than Fantsyland which has not kept up with imagineering times. I nostalgically love Fantsyland however lets face it many are not 21st century imagineering that Universal has created.
    Thinking Disney has finally realized this. I was never impressed with the 21st Century Pooh attraction that Disney is capable of, look at Splash Mountain they can do it.

    As Disney continues to close pavilions like Wonders of Life it puts more stress on the few great attractions like, Test Track and Soar'n. I can't endure MS, Nemo while great for the little ones, was fine once, Imagination ruined, it does leave some extra time now to visit the very economically friendly Universal. Sea World has also tossed their hat now into the ring as a to hit venue. I have learned to like AK however there still is not enough to hold my family more than 4-5 hours making park hopper passes necessary. While I enjoyed Fantasmic that too you must donate wasted time securing a place to sit. Disney has the ability to fix the seating for Fantasmic yet has chosen not to do that. They cut performances making it more difficult. The Movie Ride and Indian Jones have needed a revamp for a while.

    Disney has gone substantially over the CPI in raising their room and admission rates. Food and water costs have hit the ridiculous range. And why we pay exorbitant amount of money for buffet, cheap breakfast foods under a heat lamp.

    Since we have about 4 years to wait for Fantasyland (if not delayed) I think you might see more of us at least splitting our time between Universal and Disney both for variety and some financial relief.

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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    I pulled our 1994, October family vacation to WDW package from Delta.
    14 days, then Port Orleans, length of stay passes, free character breakfast or sit down daily, Alamo car rental, airfare from Chicago, free rec package including mini golf, bike rental and paddle boat. One sit down dinner. Choice of free round of golf, admission to Sports Complex or family portrait, $2796 2 Adults, 1 child, 1 Junior. Back then we allowed between a $100-$125/day for food and snacks for the 4 of us.

    Someday I'd like to see what this package would cost us in 2009. 15-20 years ago this is how we became hooked and went annually for extended stays. No way could we pull this off annually for 2 weeks.

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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Quote Originally Posted by HauntedGabe View Post
    I pulled our 1994, October family vacation to WDW package from Delta.
    14 days, then Port Orleans, length of stay passes, free character breakfast or sit down daily, Alamo car rental, airfare from Chicago, free rec package including mini golf, bike rental and paddle boat. One sit down dinner. Choice of free round of golf, admission to Sports Complex or family portrait, $2796 2 Adults, 1 child, 1 Junior. Back then we allowed between a $100-$125/day for food and snacks for the 4 of us.

    Someday I'd like to see what this package would cost us in 2009. 15-20 years ago this is how we became hooked and went annually for extended stays. No way could we pull this off annually for 2 weeks.

    I was on the Disney site a few days ago and was "hypothetically" looking at vacation options and costs and 5 days at a moderate resort for 2 adults with a 4 day pass and a meal plan was $2,175 in the month of March. Just to give you a comparison!
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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Disney's Folly View Post
    I understand the financial issues but Universal is going to eventually have to increase theirs if they want to pick up more franchises like Harry Potter. Ultimately your scenario does make sense when you look at it from that angle, but I think a lot of people still view it as a lesser experience. In the long run, Disney is still going to do better.

    Oh and what else have they really picked up in the last 10 years that comes close to Harry Potter? It's not like this is part of some increasing trend for them. They struck it with Potter (and are banking a lot on it) but haven't done much else over the years that has struck gold. Shrek, The Mummy, Twister and Men in Black aren't exactly franchises showing the type of iconic potential that can sustain that park over decades like Disney has had with its icons, not to mention is having with newer ones like Pixar characters.
    I agree with you on the trends. But I think they can get years out of Harry Potter and so does Universal or they wouldn't be putting the kind of money into the attraction. I have never been to Universal. I have been to City Walk and it was interesting. We are going to do a Universal heavy trip in the next couple of years.

    I think Disney is always going to remain on the top but I think this major rehab of FantasyLand shows that the powers to be realize they have to do something. Every other park in central FL is stepping up. Disney can't afford to rest on its laurels. I'm excited for this. Our trip next week is our last Disney for two years. These new plans gives us something to get more excited for!
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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    My boys are super excited about this! Happy to see that the rumors were true! Although....the 9 year old would like them to leave the original Star Tours and just add the new one next to it!

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    Can't wait to see the new show! Also glad my boys will get to experience both versions, old and new. I have a feeling this one will be a favorite....


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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Quote Originally Posted by HauntedGabe View Post
    I've traveled to the World loyally for 25 years and less frequently to DL and DW since I was 18 months old and I totally agree with Ohiodisneydad While on a school board convention 5 years ago we stayed on property at Universal. My family hit the parks as I attended the convention by day at parks by night. I was very impressed. What initially hit me was their young children's area. The imagineering of these attractions was head over heels better than Fantsyland which has not kept up with imagineering times. I nostalgically love Fantsyland however lets face it many are not 21st century imagineering that Universal has created.
    Thinking Disney has finally realized this. I was never impressed with the 21st Century Pooh attraction that Disney is capable of, look at Splash Mountain they can do it.

    As Disney continues to close pavilions like Wonders of Life it puts more stress on the few great attractions like, Test Track and Soar'n. I can't endure MS, Nemo while great for the little ones, was fine once, Imagination ruined, it does leave some extra time now to visit the very economically friendly Universal. Sea World has also tossed their hat now into the ring as a to hit venue. I have learned to like AK however there still is not enough to hold my family more than 4-5 hours making park hopper passes necessary. While I enjoyed Fantasmic that too you must donate wasted time securing a place to sit. Disney has the ability to fix the seating for Fantasmic yet has chosen not to do that. They cut performances making it more difficult. The Movie Ride and Indian Jones have needed a revamp for a while.

    Disney has gone substantially over the CPI in raising their room and admission rates. Food and water costs have hit the ridiculous range. And why we pay exorbitant amount of money for buffet, cheap breakfast foods under a heat lamp.

    Since we have about 4 years to wait for Fantasyland (if not delayed) I think you might see more of us at least splitting our time between Universal and Disney both for variety and some financial relief.
    Agreed Gabe. I'm hopeful that this is the beginning of Disney's looking at issues that need fixed. I'm excited for all of the changes in both mega parks in Orlando.
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    I hope they could figure out a way to keep the old star tours video in it too! Like maybe 2 queue lines. One goes to the classic star tours and one goes to the new version.
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    Re: Holy mother of awesome, its confirmed!

    Quote Originally Posted by ohiodisneydad View Post

    I think Disney is always going to remain on the top but I think this major rehab of FantasyLand shows that the powers to be realize they have to do something. Every other park in central FL is stepping up. Disney can't afford to rest on its laurels. I'm excited for this. Our trip next week is our last Disney for two years. These new plans gives us something to get more excited for!

    Agreed. The fact that Universal Studios is in Orlando and producing great attractions, whether HP or something else keeps Disney on it's toes. Which is great for the rest of us.

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