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    What do you all think will eventually become of this place? Why do you think it really closed?

    I don't think it is going anywhere. I don't think Disney is planning anything new for it, to reopen it, or looking for "sponsors." I think they like having a nice, enclosed structure to host their special events and this fits perfectly. The location isn't great, it is easy to miss if you aren't looking for it. If it was where, say, Imagination or The Land are, I bet it would be open in some form.

    It's funny that the excuse for WoL closing was lack of sponsorship. Look at all of the pavilions that aren't sponsored...like I've said, if they pulled a WoL excuse everytime a sponsor leaves, there wouldn't be much to see. Land, Seas, Imagination, Universe of Energy, and SSE have all lost sponsors in the last 10 years, and I think the only reason SSE got a new one after AT&T was because it is an icon. None of these pavilions have closed.

    They could have pulled a Horizons/World of Motion with the pavilion...close it, then plan to put something else there. I think when MetLife left WoL in 2001, Disney just sort of wrote Wonders of Life off and left it to die....they probably realized it needed updating and the traffic wasn't heavy enough probably to justify a refurb, and they wanted to save costs and figured Epcot could get by without WoL. Plus, like I said, the location just isn't great. The traffic was low, and they didn't want to bother updating it/taking steps to increase it. I think those are the real reasons it closed, not losing MetLife. This was the most dated of all of the pavilions, IMO. It was the last "original" one to open really, in 1989.

    I think the health concept is great, but it doesn't look like it'll be coming back any time soon, if ever.
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    I think WoL is gone for a long time if not forever. I can see something else eventually occupying the space, but no idea when. I also don't think sponsorship is necessarily a requirement anymore. I think at one time, sponsorship was needed to run and maintsin the attraction, but I think Disney can now operate their own attractions. Ticket prices have outpaced inflation and other sectors of the economy, and attracting visitors to pay these increased prices does not appear to be a problem.

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    Re: Wonders of Life

    They'll need to add a new attraction that'll boost attendance. Body Wars in it's original state might not be the huge draw they need. Same thing with the Imagination pavilion. There's a reason the place shuts down earlier than the rest of Future World. You need a major draw if you're going to compete with Mission: Space and Test Track. Oh, and while we're at it, can we get rid of that miserable Energy Adventure already? The 'educational' bit Epcot once prided itself on is dead an gone. Bring on the thrills!
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    there has in my opinion been an issue with sponsorships... they really are not needed...

    look at the pavilions that no longer have sponsorship...

    The Land- Soarin LwtL
    The Seas- Nemo and Friends
    Imagination- JiI and EO (Kodak recently pulled out)
    WoL- closed

    now look at the pavilions with sponsorship...

    Test Track- GM (took too long to re-open after WoM closed)
    Spaceship Earth- Siemens (really...? they have been blamed for the ending and rightly so)
    Mission Space- HP (changed the once popular Horizons)

    now im not saying that sponsors are a bad thing... but...

    who is faulted in the demise of the Imagination pavilion...? Kodak... they wanted to save money by cheaply refurbing JiI...

    who is at fault for the terrible ending of Spaceship Earth...? Siemens... it was their brilliant idea to add the touch screens... wasnt it...?

    i think when a sponsor takes over WDW is at the mercy of the company supplying the money... even if they think it is the wrong idea...


    the only problem is... it might take a sponsor to re-open WoL unfortunately... it doesnt seem as though Disney is all that into opening the pavilion on a regular basis...
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    Great points, but one thing... I believe Nestle was still sponsoring The Land when Soarin' was there. Still, it was an existing attraction brought over from California, so they didn't have any say with the attraction's design in this case.
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    yeh... i thought nestle was still sponsoring... though i think that has recently ceased as well...
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    personally though i fear WoL is a dead-end unless some company comes in and sponsors the pavilion and funds a full overhaul of it... Disney has just let the pavilion sit too long for there to be any chance that they would re-open the attraction on their own...
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    If ever there was a time to re-open, it would be now. With Star Tours closed, Body Wars, which uses the same exact technology (and in one case, the exact footage)would be a welcome re-addition, if only temporarily.
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    IMO Disney used to be about creating the best possible experience for guests.
    Now they are solely concerned with the bottom line and how they can extract the most money from customers. They no longer care about aesthetics (empty pavillions) if the bottom line is compromised. As long as it's cheaper to have an empty WoL building, it will stay that way. If they could figure out a way to make a buck it would be open tomorrow.
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by supernova View Post
    If ever there was a time to re-open, it would be now. With Star Tours closed, Body Wars, which uses the same exact technology (and in one case, the exact footage)would be a welcome re-addition, if only temporarily.
    mike,
    your absolutely right... if there was ever a time... now would be it... and considering they use that building for food and wine now would be the best time...
    though i wonder if the simulators are even still in the pavilion...?
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    Re: Wonders of Life

    Quote Originally Posted by JNota0005DakMC View Post
    there has in my opinion been an issue with sponsorships... they really are not needed...

    look at the pavilions that no longer have sponsorship...

    The Land- Soarin LwtL
    The Seas- Nemo and Friends
    Imagination- JiI and EO (Kodak recently pulled out)
    WoL- closed

    now look at the pavilions with sponsorship...

    Test Track- GM (took too long to re-open after WoM closed)
    Spaceship Earth- Siemens (really...? they have been blamed for the ending and rightly so)
    Mission Space- HP (changed the once popular Horizons)

    now im not saying that sponsors are a bad thing... but...

    who is faulted in the demise of the Imagination pavilion...? Kodak... they wanted to save money by cheaply refurbing JiI...

    who is at fault for the terrible ending of Spaceship Earth...? Siemens... it was their brilliant idea to add the touch screens... wasnt it...?

    i think when a sponsor takes over WDW is at the mercy of the company supplying the money... even if they think it is the wrong idea...


    the only problem is... it might take a sponsor to re-open WoL unfortunately... it doesnt seem as though Disney is all that into opening the pavilion on a regular basis...
    Very good points. Universe of Energy is no longer sponsored either they lost Exxon in 2004.

    IMO, Kodak ruined Imagination, and Disney does seem to be at the mercy of the sponsor, as they can always pull out if they don't get things their way, I guess. Kodak called the shots for those horrible changes to Imagination in the late 90s. I think sponsors do more harm than good. I just don't think sponsorships are needed like they were when EPCOT opened in the 1980s. I've speculated for quite a while that GM could pull out of Test Track eventually...would not surprise me.if they are the next sponsor to go. TT seems like an ad for GM to me. The only reason I think Siemens sponsored SSE is because it is such an iconic attraction at WDW.

    I think Wonders of Life could have definitely continued without MetLife as a sponsor. Disney just didn't want to bother with it. I'm sure attendance was off anyway. The pavilion is easily missed if you aren't looking for it. Like I said, if it had been in a better location, they would have done something with it. I think it's the only attraction/pav. that has closed entirely with no plans to replace it and I'm pretty sure it's the only one to close because of lack of sponsorship (well, Horizons did get off/on after GE bailed).

    I don't think we'll see Wonders of Life opened again, or at least for a long time. If it did, I doubt it'd be called that or have the same attractions. JMO. I think they recently used Body Wars as a testing bed for something so the stuff is probably still in there, just painted over and hidden..
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    Re: Wonders of Life

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    Very good points. Universe of Energy is no longer sponsored either they lost Exxon in 2004.

    IMO, Kodak ruined Imagination, and Disney does seem to be at the mercy of the sponsor, as they can always pull out if they don't get things their way, I guess. Kodak called the shots for those horrible changes to Imagination in the late 90s. I think sponsors do more harm than good. I just don't think sponsorships are needed like they were when EPCOT opened in the 1980s. I've speculated for quite a while that GM could pull out of Test Track eventually...would not surprise me.if they are the next sponsor to go. TT seems like an ad for GM to me. The only reason I think Siemens sponsored SSE is because it is such an iconic attraction at WDW.

    I think Wonders of Life could have definitely continued without MetLife as a sponsor. Disney just didn't want to bother with it. I'm sure attendance was off anyway. The pavilion is easily missed if you aren't looking for it. Like I said, if it had been in a better location, they would have done something with it. I think it's the only attraction/pav. that has closed entirely with no plans to replace it and I'm pretty sure it's the only one to close because of lack of sponsorship (well, Horizons did get off/on after GE bailed).

    I don't think we'll see Wonders of Life opened again, or at least for a long time. If it did, I doubt it'd be called that or have the same attractions. JMO. I think they recently used Body Wars as a testing bed for something so the stuff is probably still in there, just painted over and hidden..
    you know... part of WoL's problem was it dated itself...

    Body Wars- it seemed dated long before even Star Tours... and ST kept its appeal only because it was based off of Star Wars... if it wasnt... people would have really stopped going on it many years ago...

    The Making of Me- was this ever popular...? it never seemed that way to me...

    Cranium Command- to me this is the classic example of dating yourself... Hanz and Franz... so 80's... George Wendt- same thing... the actors in this presentation helped make this show seem dated virtually when it opened...


    i think you may see WoL open as WoL... but it would need a complete re-imagineering... the pavilion has great appeal as well as it always fit in Future World... it just always seemed like it was outdated...
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    I think The WOL pavilion will continue the same path as the Millenium pavillion. The Suits will use it for special events (food and wine fest etc) and let ti stand empty the rest of the time. EPCOT is clearly in need fo some TLC. The Odessey Pavilion, WOL and Millenium all have potential but there is no impetus to really take menaingful action. Add the glaring need to refurb Imagination and you can see how the Powers That Be at WDW have their work cut out for them
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    Quote Originally Posted by JNota0005DakMC View Post
    you know... part of WoL's problem was it dated itself...

    Cranium Command- to me this is the classic example of dating yourself... Hanz and Franz... so 80's... George Wendt- same thing... the actors in this presentation helped make this show seem dated virtually when it opened.
    Yet another shining example of why I am strongly against celebrity hosts on attractions. I know they are trying to make the rides and shows have more mass appeal, but the appeal wears off over time.

    Kids don't know who Bill Nye is (and looking at him today, you can see just how old this attraction is). They might as well have gone with Mr. Wizard. Eric Idle in Journey into Imagination? Why? Felicia Rashad in Dinosaur? Hey, at least it's only the preshow. Someday Ellen will have lost her grasp over housewives across America and her star will lose luster.

    Stop forcing actors of today down our throats because tomorrow they'll look silly, and next week it'll be pointless. There is no way I could sit through an attraction featuring Hanz and Franz. What is this, Universal? How the heck is a Bill & Ted show still running in 2010 at Halloween Horror Nights?

    Test Track was nicely done, though. They took John Michael Higgins, a relatively unknown actor and made him the host of Test Track. The preshow offers re-ride-ability.

    Overall, though, WoL was always a true "pavilion" to me, along with The Living Seas and The Land. Test Track is now a ride with a gift shop at the end. Same with Journey into Imagination. I want something more than a show building. WoL was a huge circular building, with attractions and exhibits around the sides and in the middle. Test Track and Imagination are more along the lines of Spaceship Earth, where it's easier to ride the ride first and then visit the exhibits.
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    I was in WoL pavilion about 13 days ago and it is just erie! I hadn't been in there since probably 1995. Everytime I visited EPCOT between 2000 and 2010 it was closed because it was the off season. They had curtains up covering the area where Body Wars was, but the theaters look pretty much the same. They were showing how wine was made on one of the screens. One of the areas was blocked off because they were selling high end knives. It had I believe two areas where you could pay and do wine tastings. It just made me sick. I actually thouroughly enjoyed this pavilion the one or two times I got to do it in the 90's. My wife and I pay enough to United Health Care. They could easily take it over and do something with it.


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