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WDW Radio # 667 – Tomorrowland: Past, Present, and Future, and 15 Years of WDW Radio

We take a detailed look at Tomorrowland in Walt Disney World, including its original theme, intent, and feel, as well as its evolution and changes, and what the future holds for this futuristic(ish) land. We’ll also celebrate 15 years of the show with 15 Moments from 15 Years of WDW Radio.

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[00:00:00] Lou Mongello: While every land in magic kingdom is unique. I think that none has the most interesting history and maybe even controversial development than tomorrow land. I think the land is so most blessed and cursed by its name, and it is a land that's also while closely tied to Walt has not only undergone a myriad of changes over the years, but I think continues to be surrounded by speculation and conversation and to this.

We're going to look at the intriguing and fascinating past present and future of tomorrow live and joining me again this week, you may remember her from such shows as the Disney, MGM backlot and Burbank that never was back on show 589. The unbuilt Disney parks at 588. Things you cannot believe ever happened in Walt Disney world part one and part deux so 603 and 604.

And the unrealized Walt Disney world attractions back on six 30 to 6 33. I am of course, talking about the one and only Kendall Foreman. Kendall. Welcome.

[00:01:14] Kendall Foreman: Hey, thanks for having me on again. That should be an interesting conversation. I think it's one that a lot of us as Disney fans and in particular, Walt Disney world fans have either had, or are having, or just wish we could have with a fellow Disney fan because tomorrow land is kind of a conundrum.

[00:01:32] Lou Mongello: It is. And I think this is a great idea and a great sort of way to frame the topic because I think tomorrow and has had a very interesting, not just origin in, in, in with Walton Disneyland, which I think we'll we'll touch on, but its progression over the years I think is unlike any of the other lands in magic kingdom because it did sort of go in not just with a specific design aesthetic, but changes in storyline or radical changes in the attractions that have come and gone through there.

And I think the most intriguing. And potentially even, and I say controversial and air quotes, but controversial future because of what sentimentalist and nostalgics thinks tomorrow and should be. And what other people might want to see come in in the future.

[00:02:30] Kendall Foreman: Yeah, definitely. You hear a lot of conversation about, about what that future should be.

And then also just like you say, sentimentalism going all the way back to wall and that opening dedication speech, you know, that just the line within the dedication of Disneyland where, you know, the youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. And, and then the actual opening dedication for tomorrow land, where he specifically says tomorrow offers new frontiers in science, adventure, and ideals.

And I think, you know, we're going to talk about. The ways that that was met perhaps in Disneyland and somewhat in Walt Disney world. And then the ways where maybe today can not really still be met in an ongoing, you know, constantly rapidly changing future.

[00:03:20] Lou Mongello: Yeah. And I think this topic has the potential for being a very long conversation, which I promise I'm going to try not to do.

And we're not going to really look at the, every single individual attraction and the evolution of each. Uh, I do shameless plug Lord. I do a very detailed look at the origins of each and the land. In the audio tour for tomorrow land, which you can find on apple music, you can find@theshopatwwradio.com.

But instead, I think we would look at the Genesis of tomorrow land specifically in Walt Disney world, including that original theme and feel, and intent that evolution, how it's changed and what the future holds and I'm, and I'm happy you started with Walt because it really is where we need to start. And, and the fact that you mentioned that tomorrow, Len dedication, he talks about this Vista into a world of wondrous ideas, talking about man's achievements, the challenge of outer space, the hope for a peaceful unified world, which I love when it gives us all the warm and fuzzies, but definitely it doesn't necessarily feel, you know, we don't necessarily feel that in tomorrow land, but, but touching back to Walton and.

Lingering, or maybe not so much lingering handprint on the land. Walt was always not just fascinated by technological advances, but the future as a whole and not in a science fiction type of way, even though, you know, buck Rogers and flash Gordon growing up was becoming very, very popular. Um, and it certainly in leading into the fifties with alien creatures and rocket ships and you know, all the different, the, the exploration of space and all the aliens that were coming down.

But Walt really wanted this science factual view of the future, as opposed to science fiction. It even we talked about on a previous show, Walt Disney in space. I don't remember the number off the top of my head, but it was about. Bringing facts of science onto TV, um, working with, with scientists and talking about the possibilities of the future and for space travel and medicine and satellites, and even entertaining and entertainment.

But it wasn't just about entertaining his viewers. It was about educating them as well.

[00:05:56] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. One of the things, things that I think is interesting about the lands of Disneyland is that frontier land is clearly a product of a very popular genre at that time and fantasy land. Also a product of the popularity of the genre of animated films, but then you have main street USA and tomorrow land that very clearly were personal for wall.

I mean, personal from his history and personal for what he wanted for his future. I agree with you in that opening day special. If you go back and watch, which I absolutely love watching the tomorrow land section of that, because it's so endearing, there's so many missteps and miscues, but, um, in that they say specifically, I think it's art Linkletter that says it, that this is not a stylized version of the future.

Yeah, like you said, yes, there was the, you know, the buck Rogers, rocket and, and things like that. But I believe really what Walt's direction was, was just those baby steps towards what he was heading toward with his larger idea of Epcot, that this is my, you know, toes in the water of presenting this brighter, beautiful future when we work together and what we're capable of and bringing together, you know, people from the business world, you know, whether that's Monsanto or, or a crane or Dutch boy, or, you know, any of the others who were sponsors, you see more of that in tomorrow land than you do in any of the other lands.

[00:07:30] Lou Mongello: Right. Cause it wasn't about going to space and shooting aliens like bus, right? Light your space ranger spin. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it really was like places like fantasy land. He wanted this place where. You as a guest could enter into this, three-dimensional living, breathing immersive and interactive words back in the fifties that we use now today, participatory experience in the future.

He wanted this to be a, a blueprint, a bloop, a blueprint of the future that I think was not set in stone, but was sort of written in pencil because it would be very dynamic and ever changing. And even going back to the tomorrow land of Disneyland. He, and his Imagineers imagined this land to be a city of the future in 1986, which is crazy to think about.

Um, but in, in the 1950s mindset, it was when we were going to be going to the moon and robotics would be part of our everyday life. And I think the, the vision of the future, um, that involved rockets was not necessarily a fanciful one, but a future forward thinking one. And that, you know, that Googie tile style of architecture and that sensation of motions and the different types of materials that were used were a vision of the factual future, not a fanciful future.

[00:09:16] Kendall Foreman: Yeah, definitely. And I think it's interesting too, to look at some of the attractions that were present there, you know, outside of those ones that were meant to introduce guests to, to actual factual things of the, the very near future. Um, but you know, like I mentioned, like the hall of chemistry and the house of the future and, um, but also just something that, to us looking back today does not seem like a future thing, the Skyway, when that comes around, not opening day of Disneyland, but then, you know, what year was that, uh, in, uh, was it 65 or yeah.

Um, or no 56, I guess. Um, that's us looking back that does not seem like something of the future. That's a technology that existed for hundreds of years prior to Disneyland's opening, but in Walt's mind, that was. Uh, possibly, you know, clean version of transportation, which then you look to today and it it's something that Disney world implemented as an efficient, modern version of transportation.

And it's just interesting to see, you know, Walt was taking things that maybe, you know, didn't seem futuristic even in the moment, but they were future thinking. They were forward thinking in


[00:10:37] Lou Mongello: use, right? Disneyland's tomorrow wasn't about flying saucers and spaceships. It was about a flight to them, a potential simulation of a flight to the moon based on where he believed real-world technology was going, the futuristic ish highways of tomorrow in the autopilot.

All those things were meant to sort of simulate a real world future. And I think without sort of jumping too far ahead, which sort of to put a pin in this for later, I think tomorrow land overall is the land that sort of misses Walt the most. Right? If you look at all the lands specifically, even here in Walt Disney world and the changes in the evolution of each most have not really gone far off of where they originated, whether it is fantasy, land, frontier, land, whatever it might be tomorrow, land light, the autopilot full of twists and turns has changed shape and size a few different times.

And as opposed to the Disneyland version of tomorrow, landward open when Walt Disney world's open. I think that missing of Walt was evidence, not just in what was there and what was not there, but even of what the vision of the land was. And I always love playing trivia with people and asking people, what were the only two, remember there was only two opening day attractions in Tomorrowland and Walt Disney world.

And they're all like, oh, that's easy. It's space, mountain it's flight to the moon. Oh, I know it's mission to him. And I'm like, no, it's the Skyway, which is like you said, not very futuristic or forward-thinking right. It's, it's more of a conveyance it's been around for decades and the grand Prix Raceway, which was not designed as a futuristic or Topia, but really sort of grounded on this idea of an international race car race.

I really believe Kendall from day one. Tomorrow land has and continues to have an identity crisis.

[00:13:00] Kendall Foreman: Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think you look at 1971 and you could almost make the argument that it would have been more aptly named today land because I mean, you had, the autopilot was a new thing.

Interstates were a new thing when Disneyland opened and I'm sure the thought process was to carry over a very popular attraction that had already had its development finished. You know, I mean, let's face it. My son, the first time we took him to Disney world, he wanted, he had three things he wanted to do see pirates, CTQ birds, and riding a red car, drive a red car on the Speedway.

I mean, every kid wants to do it. So I think had they not brought it over there, might've been some outcry, you know, where, where are the cars that my kid can drive? Um, but yeah, with that in the Skyway and even one. Flight to the moon opens later that year, we've already stepped on the moon by the time that is a thing.

And even once they shift that to being mission to Mars in 1975, it's literally less than a year later when we get pictures back from Viking. One of Mars. I mean, I think it was just going to say, I think even more than Disneyland Disney worlds, like you said, it suffers from the lack of that, that optimist futuristic vision that Walt had.

And perhaps just from carrying over, you know, a lot of Disneyland to Disney world, I mean, like, you look at the original premise for the Florida project, you know, clearly Walt mentions a theme park, but clearly that was not his main driver. For the Florida project. I mean, what he wanted was Epcot, you know, the, the full realization of tomorrow land.

And without that being what existed and without wall, you get kind of the today land version of tomorrow land.

[00:14:58] Lou Mongello: And so maybe you bring up a good point, which I had never, I've never thought of before. And then I'll sort of talk it out as it comes to mind, but maybe that's permission or an excuse we can give to tomorrow land in that the imaginaries were so focused on the Epcot part of the project and that being the showcase for current and future technologies that deciding what should or should not go into tomorrow land, what the theme and the intent of tomorrow land should be maybe is what predicated the fact that there was look when you walked into tomorrow land in October, even early November of 1971, The future, the future hasn't arrived today.

The future looked very bleak. It looked very sparse. It looked very incomplete. And I think it looked very cold and sterile. And I'll post a picture in the show notes@debitedradio.com and I'll post it on my Instagram too. When you walked in, there were these large white monolithic towers that had water would sometimes be on and off.

And as you walked through, there were two empty show buildings on either side and nothing in front of you. There was no rocket tower Plaza yet. There was no space mountain. There was no carousel of progress. So there wasn't a lot to do or see there. And even as it started to evolve on. Basis, like you said, the first two attractions to come in were flight to the moon in December, Merry Christmas.

There's a Christmas present, but earlier America, the beautiful opened. So where monsters Inc laugh lore currently sits was America. The beautiful, again, love the show. It's a wonderful, beautiful circle vision, 360 travel log, but it's, it has nothing necessarily to do with the namesake of the land in which it sits.

[00:17:06] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. And I just have to say with the two, um, the two big monoliths, I do find those very interesting when I look back at pictures because I am fairly certain. Those were still there. The first time I, I visited Walt Disney world. Two times that I visited. So I'm surprised they don't stick out in my memory as having experienced them in person.

But whenever I look at a picture or whatever, I look at photos of them, the first thing that comes to mind is the, um, the in Lord of the rings, the big, the great big statues, you know, that's like you get this vision of, you know, the passing through. And I don't know, I've seen, um, photos. Did you have a straight sight line to the contemporary when you stood there?

Like, could you see straight through it or did you have to walk further into tomorrow to get that side? Right.

[00:17:55] Lou Mongello: And so what you saw, what are these two stark white buildings on either side, remember there was no people mover yet, right. People move, it doesn't come for, for a number of years. And in front of you was empty greenspace and then very soon a construction wall thereafter.

So. You're you're the sight lines were not awesome. And once you got into Tomorrowland there, wasn't very much to see, um, remember all the things that we have now, even those buildings were not necessarily constructed yet.

[00:18:30] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. It definitely like, uh, a lack of the kinetic energy that you get later on with tomorrow land 94.

[00:18:38] Lou Mongello: Right. I didn't even the, sort of the first real expansion of a building didn't happen until 1972. When, if you had wings was added on to the America beautiful building. And then right after, I guess, about 74. So really not long after the first few months of walking into tomorrow land, it really was more of a construction site than it was a vision of the future because star jets, which was rocket tower Plaza now, um, Astro orbiter was being built.

You. Um, that actually now all of a sudden it was your block, the view of the contemporary off in the distance, you had the Skyway buckets on sort of that, that left-hand side and then space, mountain, and carousel of progress open, uh, in 1975. So there's a lot of construction going on the entire time, but from literally from day one, it's suffered that, that problem and that issue of how do we showcase the future, especially one that is changing ever so quickly.

It was a problem in 1955. It was a problem in 1971. And it's a problem in 2022.

[00:19:58] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. And I mean, like we kind of touched on earlier. That Disney world has its own special problem compared to Disneyland in that it was, you know, you get past the construction of space, mountain, and the newness of that and the, the forward-thinking miss of the people mover edition in 75.

And then now you're fighting the battle on two fronts of we're trying to develop future futuristic technologies and projects for Epcot. And we also have tomorrow land over here. And so I think you get by for a while with space mountain and the people mover and things, but I mean, you had, I think it was almost inevitable that eventually one of those two things or both were going to suffer because you can't just, you know, pick up an attraction from Disneyland and plop it in one now, what are you putting in the other?

[00:20:51] Lou Mongello: Right. And I think it wasn't until. And I haven't seen it with my own eyes yet, but I, I have seen enough to sort of understand, I don't think Kendall, it was until 1992, that Disney sort of crack the code of tomorrow land. And you crack the code of tomorrow land by not calling it tomorrow land. And when they built discovery land in Disneyland Paris, the solution they came up with for tomorrow land was to make it the future that never was.

So instead of sort of basing it as I think, what did not want on Saifai, you know, pulpy, campy movies of the fifties, they instead based it on explorers and thinkers like DaVinci and H G Wells and Jules Verne, they took some of the inspiration and unfortunately abandoned concepts for things like discovery bay in Disneyland and created this.

Futuristic ish park that wouldn't be out of date because it was not trying to stay ahead of emerging technology.

[00:22:06] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. The idea of these, um, you know, adventurers, explorers, scientists, future thinkers, kind of outside of their time. It's like, it's kind of like, I always tell my husband, I think singing in the rain is a perfect movie because it was a movie that was made outside of its time.

Like it, it was made in the fifties, but it references the twenties and here with discovery land, they're referencing, you know, things from centuries ago, but these were people who were forward thinkers, you know, technically Saifai story. But from a very literature, steam, punk type perspective. And like you said, you know, did tomorrow, does tomorrow land suffer because it's called tomorrow land, which is kind of interesting, you know, front frontier land, like I mentioned earlier is based on a film genre that hasn't been popular for half a century, but it doesn't suffer for that fact.

And, but tomorrow land, you know, had it been called Spaceland had it been called, you know, something else would we think it, it suffers as much as it does. So pivoting to this discovery land idea from that sense makes a lot of sense. I'm kind of curious from your perspective. I know neither one of us have been to discovery land in Disneyland Paris, but you have been to mysterious island.

Do you think that people here in the us would accept that kind of concept as a replacement? Or do you think there would be kind of an outcry? Like, well, Disneyland has tomorrow land, whereas ours.

[00:23:45] Lou Mongello: Right? So that, and that's part of the issue, right? Because if you want to make the internet lose its marbles, tell them you're going to change something, including the name and theme of an entire land with all of a sudden, the people that love, you know, I call it the ex-girlfriend refract.

It's you, don't sort of when the, when, when your girlfriend says she's leaving, like, no, no, no, but I love you. You're perfect. Please. Don't go. We felt that way about, you know, adventurous club. We felt that way about, um, uh, maelstrom in, in Norway and just quickly touching back, you know, you mentioned frontier land frontier land works because it is not while inspired in some, especially in Disneyland on, on.

Davy Crockett and Thompson way, or they like it's, it's also grounded in real-world American history and frontier land and Liberty square is a journey through and forward through time and American history. So it's locked in a sense of reality. And I think for tomorrow land, I think in 1994, when Disney's like, all right, look, we need to take inspiration from what clearly seems to be working in discovery, Lennon, Disneyland, Paris, I for disparate discussion sake.

I wonder if they did not take that inspiration, literally literal enough or far enough, meaning the 1994 transformation. Oh, and, and re theming and really changing the story of tomorrow land of which the original 1971 version did not necessarily have. It did not have a cohesive, certainly clear theme or message of what this land was.

You knew what fantasy land was, right. You were stepping into the movies. You knew what Liberty square and frontier land were. You were looking through American history, just like main street USA. You didn't quite understand what was happening in tomorrow land. So in 1994, excuse me, when they're saying, okay, well, we're not going to look at the future in terms of the real world we are going to sort of instead go for a more whimsical playful yet still I think almost in, in no modge to Walt, an optimistic view of it.

But if you sort of look at it on paper in black and white, it is not exactly. And I'm not saying I don't live in a world where, what Walt wanted had to sort of be the, you know, the go-to Bible for everything going forward. But this idea that the 1994 new tomorrow land was this headquarters for a league of planets.

And it very much was based in this forties, fifties pulpous buck Rogers, flash, Gordon aliens, flying saucers, robots, doing chores like the Jetsons. It does, does sort of fly in the face of his original vision and intent for his, when I say his, I mean, the, the, the Disneyland tomorrow, which obviously was the inspiration for Walt Disney worlds.

[00:27:00] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. I agree. I mean, it's definitely. Yeah, cheeky version of tomorrow. And in, in prep for this podcast today, I went to my bookshelf and I pulled out the old Imagineering field guide to the magic kingdom. I have the first edition of that, that Alex Wright wrote, which I highly recommend those to all listeners.

If you can get your hands on a copy. And he had a quote in there that I never thought about it. And he was writing specifically about tomorrow in 94, and he said the implication, however, subconscious is that the world and the galaxy and the universe itself will become smaller and more accessible to us as our transportation systems advance.

And I thought that was really interesting because. That does make sense with what Walt wanted, if you, if you set that quote next to what he wanted, that makes complete sense. Also, if you sit that quote next to tomorrow, land 94, it also makes a lot of sense because so much of tomorrow land 94 was about transportation.

That was, that was the one takeaway that was like, okay, in the future, are any of these things possible? You know, kind of like, I think their tagline now that Tomorrowland is something like the future that never was, is finally here or something like that. Like, you know, I think everyone wants to imagine that sometime in the future, teleportation will be a real thing, you know, and that was the future they were selling.

[00:28:33] Lou Mongello: Right. And I think it was meant to, excuse me, reflect. The idea of a community like main street USA, like frontier land, like Liberty square, but one in this fanciful future where we are stepping foot into this land where a real working community is taking place. And we are there to experience sort of the day-to-day life of the people and the polices and the spaces that are happening in this space, port of the future.

You're right. Transportation has its hand-print on almost everything you see, excuse me in that land, but it's now mixed in and mingled with aliens and robots and the avenue of the planets and the little order of the little green beings and the galactic association of retired aliens and the sleepless nights of the Milky way.

All of these little. And, and, and larger micro and macro details were meant to sell you on the idea that you are in this community, which is much larger than what you see within the four corners of tomorrow land, because there's is this sort of intergalactic, spaceport, and all of the attractions that were there were now sort of given landmark like monikers of what they actually were.

So the people mover was not a ride. It was the public transportation system. There was a blue line. If you listen to the old narration, there was a red line and the green line that took you to different locations, like a subway system space mountain was the spaceport. It still is. You can still see signage inside that talks about it being spaceports 75.

Buzz, let your space ranger spin was the law enforcement division of tomorrow land carousel of progress. Like where does that fit in Lou? It's a museum, right? It's a museum that shows up and you're like, oh, wait a minute. Now I get it. That's why those scenes haven't changed very much over the last however many years, because it is meant to be snapshots in time of the past and their, their visions of what, 1986 VR goggles will look like cosmic rays is a nightclub.

And if you listen to the dialogue of cosmic rays and the space angels, it very much is reflective of what, if you walk in with a mindset that you are in this sort of family-friendly nightclub, you're like, oh, I get it. They're not a performer at a quick service restaurant. This is supposed to be sort of the.

The nighttime entertainment district of tomorrow land and the laugh floor is the it's the power plant. Right. It's where all of the energy is coming from. So all of these attractions are not only cognizant of one another, but they're in the same continuity and multi-verse.

[00:31:53] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. I mean, if, if twirl and 71 had a lack of story tomorrow and 94 has story on story, on story.

And, and I was just the right age for tomorrow in 94, like I mentioned earlier, I have very little memories of what tomorrow land looked like before tomorrow, land 94. But I remember walking in there and just being like, this is a whole another place. Like as a kid, like, especially when you walked in there at night, you know, I have, I have entered a spaceport.

That's what it felt like. It felt like, you know, what's, you know, what's going on over there, what's going on around the corner. You know, you felt like you might run into, uh, you know, someone dressed up like an alien. You might run into push the trashcan, you know? And, and you're right. Like every single thing.

I mean, if they imagine years of the late eighties and early nineties were good at anything, it was crafting a deep story. I mean, you know, you have the whole Adam Merryweather. Pleasure storyline over it at pleasure island. You know, you have the whole story of pleasure island, like, and that's what it was here.

I mean, like you mentioned, you had the, you know, the robo newsboy and you have, you know, the metropolitan or the metropolis science center when it was timekeeper that, you know, you're, you're in this place learning about the future of not just the community, but the literal galaxy. And it is like I said, it is cheeky, but it was a very interesting concept.

And if you were someone like me as a kid, I had no frame of reference of what it was before. I'd never been to Disneyland. Like this was kind of incredible. And I was just going to say, looking back, like you look at how deep that story is, and you can kind of almost see how this is a 4runner for places like Pandora and galaxies.

[00:33:49] Lou Mongello: Absolutely. And it's a great way to sort of connect those dots because even late in 1994, when the clearly the very Eisner centric project of bringing in extra terrestrial alien encounter, because they couldn't get the rights to things like aliens, we'll make our own aliens. The way you justify that existence in tomorrow land is by making that building.

Now the tomorrow land interplanetary convention center. And if you looked at the signage that was outside, it showed you ads for upcoming community events and inside this convention center, as if you were going to a conference, you know, now there was a demonstration of the latest IntelePeer teleportation technology from a company from a real world company called excess.

[00:34:49] Kendall Foreman: Yeah, and I will, I will hand up admit I never rode alien encounter when it was there. I, again, like, as I said, I was a young child. So the concept of that terrified me to death. And even I now, as an adult have watched it on YouTube and I'm like, it is a good thing. I did not ride that. Like that would have scarred me for life.

[00:35:10] Lou Mongello: It was scary. And it was actually made scarier by Eisner when it opened for previews in, in mid December, uh, Michael Eisner wrote it and he's like, shut it down. They're like, what's wrong. He said, it's not intense enough. He really wanted it to be more dense. And it necessitated them putting a sign outside saying that not only was it very intense, but it wasn't necessarily intended for children under, I think like 12, which made it feel.

Almost out of place in Walt Disney world, you're like, wait a minute, the Disney doesn't have these kinds of intense, scary attractions, but not to sort of go off base. We've talked about the Disney decade in our conversations with war and Eisenhower realized we needed something here to attract a specific demographic, which was boys between the ages of 14 and 25.

[00:36:05] Kendall Foreman: Yeah. And I think you have to look at, at that point in time, and even to the end of the nineties, I mean, this is the ascendancy of tomorrow land. Like whether you like this concept or not tomorrow land was hopping. I mean, by the time you get to eat ticket right now, Most of those rides that were open for each ticket ride nights back when you paid to stay late we're in tomorrow land.

I mean, alien encounter was considered at any ticket. Uh, T the timekeeper at that point in time was in the ticket space. Mountain was in the ticket. The Astro orbiter was an easy ticket. I mean, most of what was going on in those, what was considered the prime attractions of that park were happening it tomorrow land.

[00:36:50] Lou Mongello: That concludes part one of our look at the past, present and future of Tomorrowland. Please go to the clubhouse at www.com/clubhouse, to talk about what we discussed on this week's show and tune in next week for part two,

2000. I cannot believe that was 15 years ago, time flies. Right. And even more so I'm amazed at when I think that 15 years ago, this week I released the very first episode of the WDW radio show back on February 11th, 2007. I remember quite vividly what that week leading up to that day was like I had quote unquote retired from my original podcast, which was mouse tunes, which I'd been doing weekly with my cohost since early 2005.

And I was incredibly nervous to be honest about going off on my own and starting something new. And if you don't believe me, go back and at your own risk and listen to episode one or what I affectionately call. Six minutes of awkward, because there was so much that I didn't know. And also so much that I wanted to do share and provide to you.

And I had no idea where the single episode would lead and to save it 15 years later, it has gone way beyond my wildest dreams would be a massive understatement. And actually, as I was preparing for this, I went back and I listened to that original episode. And I found myself happy, although a little bit weeded out because of how different I sound but happy that I've hopefully continued with that original mission and message of making the show be not only four, but by, with an about you and without going too far down the so very deep rabbit hole of what we collectively have been able to do with the show over the years, I started to think about the progression and the growth of everything, the show on the community and.

More importantly, the family and community that you have built, you have created. And I mean, this, this is not hyperbole. When I say something very special in the WWE video clubhouse, although you'll always be part of the quote unquote box people and the events and the conversations and everything else that is part of.

WDW radio. And I sit here sort of reflecting and reminiscing back about the past 15 years with a huge smile on my face and maybe a little sentimental tear in my eye and about some of the favorite memories and moments that started to really flood in and little did I know that an accidental list was forming.

And so I present to you for your own reflection and input is my top 10 weight, top 15 moments in WWF. In no particular order. And as I'm reading the list, I'm going back because in typical Lou fashion, this is going way longer than I expected to, but yet there's so much more than I want it to say and things and people that unfortunately were admitted.

So I will apologize in advance as I start the list. But number one, for me was recording episode one, which like I said, when I say there took way longer than it should have to prepare for and write and record it, like it literally took me more than six hours to record and edit those over a torturous six minutes.

I have since streamlined that process just a little bit, but certainly I never could have imagined where that first show. And I remember vividly like recording it and the fear that I had of publishing it, I never could have imagined where it would lead. Number two, virtually meeting and interviewing Julie Andrews.

And she obviously. Sort of gets called out separately because not only was she someone who was a part of my childhood and Disney experience, I literally watched Mary Poppins more times than I could remember as a child and as a parent and as a fan. And she was Julie Dame, Julie Ms. Sanchez was even more gracious and charming and wonderful than I ever could have imagined.

And forgive me if I've said this before, but it's that meaningful to me when she said, Ooh, at the end of the, at west, we were chatting at the end of the show. I literally squealed and squealed internally that like Mary Poppins has said my main and my heart leaped. And she was, she was significant, not just because of what she meant.

But you know, of all the people that have been so fortunate and blessed and grateful to talk to, I always felt sort of, she was like the one person, the first person that I interviewed that I felt like my parents and other people in my family who maybe were not super hardcore Disney fans would know and appreciate spoiler alert.

My mom and dad totally did. They loved it, always so supportive. Well, I'll get to that later. Uh, number three, and I will save the entire story, but, and I don't mean this to sound like name name-dropping, but as a fan, these were huge for me when Kevin FYGI, the president of Marvel studios, studios came to my booth at D 23 expo 2009.

And I didn't know who he was embarrassing as it was, again, this is 2009. And when he told me that he was a listener and he said, and I'm paraphrasing sort of when he said your show helped me get through the making of iron man. It is something that I cherish and will take with me forever. And that, that single meeting has grown into something that is a friendship.

And really when I always say to people, especially when they start off or, you know, have a podcast or a blog or YouTube channel, whatever it is, you never know who's listening. That's not a warning recall. Action. It's you never know who might be listening. Number four, speaking of you never know, who's listening to anyone who's ever said to me, your show helped me dot, dot dot whether the rest of that sentence is get through something, have a better Disney experience, be inspired to do X or just put a smile on my face.

I thank you. I never, ever could have been. Begin to remotely fathom how talking about this place that I just love so much and makes me so happy, could positively impact others. And I will just leave it at that. Thank you. If you've ever said that to me, or even just felt it and never had that conversation with me, number five again, that's why I said these are in no particular order, the dream team project.

And when I was writing my first Walt Disney attribute book back in 2003, uh, my dad was diagnosed with cancer and we were living in New Jersey at the time. And I drove him five times a week to Memorial Sloan Kettering hospital in New York city for treatment for months, I don't even know how long it was.

And while we were at the hospital, as we would walk to sort of where he was getting his treatment, we'd have to walk by the, the pediatric cancer ward. And I was saddened. Incredibly saddened to see so many children who were there as patients. And so rather than donate money to cancer research, which obviously is a very necessary and worthy.

Cause I wanted to help a child right away, like immediately help them enjoy the benefits of my and what would eventually become our donations. And I promised myself. Stood by that promise that I would take a portion of the proceeds from the sale of every book and things I've done in beyond that and donate it to a wish granting organization and little did I know at that time that others would find similar inspiration as a result of that and that our dream team project would be born.

And since. We collectively as a community have raised more than $550,000 for the Make-A-Wish foundation of America. And granted, I don't know the number. So I'll say countless wishes for seriously ill children and their families to visit Walt Disney world, all expenses paid. And I want to give special thanks to everybody who is a member of the WWF nation, everyone who is a member of the WW radio running team.

Whether you run, walk wild, jaw cheer. For all that you do. And for, and with our collective calls and everybody who has participated in and contributed to our charity auctions and everything that is, is part of this collective fundraising effort. Uh, the dream team project remains the most important part of what I, and what we do.

So thank you. If you want to find out and learn more, you can visit dream team, product.org. You can also visit WDW, run.com or click on the link on the WWL page to find out more about the running team number six, and this might sound silly to you, but it is very important to me is free. And growing up, I was not a popular kid in grammar school or high school or college or law school, like not by a long shot.

In fact, I did not have a lot of friends growing up. I was not still am not athletic. Uh, I never got picked for teams and I knew quite often what it felt like to be left out. And it's not hyperbole to say that literally everything changed for me with the show and the community and the friends that I have been blessed to make along the way.

And yes, that means and includes you whether we have met yet or not because my, you are a friend, not a fan mantra, isn't a line. It's not some shtick. It's always how I have felt and what I have believed and how I have acted. So thank you for the friendship that you have extended to me. Number seven is community because speaking of friendship, when I launched WDW radio, which was then Disneyworld trivia.com and the discussion forums back in 2004, I wanted to really create a very warm, friendly place where anyone and everyone was welcomed.

Equal and part of something and everyone, as long as you're a nice person could belong to something. And from those 29 people that signed up to the forums that launched day back in early 2004 to everyone who was part of the www community and family. Again, thank you. You have created and nurtured and grown this community and really built something special.

Like I say it all the time and I mean, it, like, I just built the clubhouse. But you populate it. And going back to even 2007, like when I did my first WWD, a live video broadcast from my basement in New Jersey, which quick aside I thought would be like 10 minutes, nobody would show up six hours later there we were still talking to now and the past so many years of going live every week from the parks and my home and cruises events and oversees the live remained some of the most important and fun parts of what we do.

Why because it's live and anything can, and often does happen. But more importantly, it's because it's a conversation and it's not just a conversation between me and you, but you and each other. And it's dynamic and it's real time and it's unabashedly and unapologetically authentic. And most of all, it's fun that we can share together no matter where you are or what your.

And for me, I like it made me feel like I finally found. Where I belong and I hope that you feel the same way. I hope that you have found your home and your family and your community here as well. And if you are a member of the Dodi, WTO nation family, I cannot thank you enough for all that you do to help make WWD a reality to literally keeping the lights on and your incredible friendship and generosity and care.

I hope that you enjoy. Being part of the nation, as much as I enjoy what we share together, you are appreciated more than I can ever really express number eight, my first media event. And it's funny because it was never something that I aspired to or even thought of when I started. But when I began writing my first book back in 2003, all I wanted was access.

Right. I didn't want anything free. I do want access to correct and official information from the source, not just a random anonymous post from a rec arts, Disney parks, Usenet newsgroup cause yeah, I'm that old, this was pre internet. Cause I remember literally and figuratively knocking on Disney's door just to try and gain access to data, to ensure accuracy.

On my first trivia book, I was a lawyer. I was a researcher, there were Disney was in it. So obviously it had to be as accurate as possible. And I remember being told that if you weren't radio TV or newspaper, you weren't media. I have taught how times have changed, but I continued to knock and create relationships and prove my integrity and intentions to Disney.

And one day. Very unexpected moment came when I received an invitation to my first real media event, I was stunned and I was grateful and I may have cried just a little bit, and you're going to find that the crying is a recurring theme with me. I'm an emotional guy, but when I stepped on at the time, what was the blue carpet for the first time, surrounded by quote unquote real big media outlets.

It was this moment of validation and approval that I will never forget. And with any, and every invitation that I received, I remain as grateful to Disney for their trust and confidence and the opportunity to be there. It is a true privilege. And as one that I am always cognizant of and grateful for, and that actually leads directly into number nine, which is some of that external validation and recognition, which I am mentioning here, because this is not about me.

This is recognition for you, but in case you didn't know. I'm not a numbers guy. I don't check the numbers cause I don't really care about the numbers. And what I mean by that is I don't necessarily care about the number of people who are listening to and downloading the show. That doesn't matter. It's the individual, it's you?

It's the person that's listening that matters. I know that every download number means there's a real person that is giving me the most valuable commodity, which is their time. And I need you to know that that does not go unnoticed or unappreciated because I'm not worried about growing or vanity metrics.

I'm just concerned about sharing good things with good people that I hope enjoy what I, and we do. But over the years, there have been so many incredible examples of recognition and praise from outside the community and for each and every one I'm grateful to them. Um, and more importantly, again to you, because none of this would have happened without you.

Any, any of these notable recognitions is because of what you have helped built in terms of community and family. And from that very first time I ever gave an interview or was, I was asked to speak on stage or the show was mentioned in an article, or was asked to go on TV, like in the awards and the accolades that the show was received there.

Thanks to you. And. I will not mention them here, but I want you to know how much I appreciate what you have accomplished. Um, anything of everything that has happened for me and for w radio is thanks to you. Number 10, I mentioned this person by name again because of what it means to me personally, even beyond the show, but Richard M.

Sherman. And I remember I'm using air quotes tracking down Mr. Sherman, Richard, back in 2008. Again, this is pre like Disney bringing these legends out on stage and them being sort of in the front facing social media and online, et cetera. And I was literally shaking. As I call the number that I found for him, but I was instantly put at ease and ended up speaking to his wife for like 45 minutes.

And then when I spoke to him, she's the nicest lady in the world. When I spoke to him the following week, he sincerely and humbly asks me, he goes, are you sure you want to interview me? And I'm like, yeah. Do you not know? But Richard is that kind of a person and so much more than an incredibly special guest going back to show 80.

And then multiple times after Richard and his wife, like we've become friends. And I will never forget back in 2012, um, inviting him on our WWD, cruise on the Disney dream as our very, very, very special guest and the private concert he put on just for us. Wow. Um, but there's a personal memory that I will never forget.

And I want to share with you because during dinner one night, uh, he asks if he and his wife, he's sitting at our table and he asked him if he and his wife could take our kids to the show in the Walt Disney theater. I said, of course, and I began to put my napkin on the table and stand up to join him. And he puts his hand on my shoulder and says, no, you enjoy the rest of your dinner because my wife and I want to take your kids.

Now, mind you I'm freaked out because I was, was amp were so like super protective of my kids and I had, and I still have to this day, 10 years later, this incredibly vivid vision stuck in my mind's eye, a Richard sure. Richard, the Richard M. Sherman and his wife holding, walking away from the table, holding my children's hands, like loving grandparents to walk them into the field.

I'm still getting choked up to walk them into the theater, to watch a performance of songs that he and his brother composed. Like I'm literally, I'm, I'm choked up and I feel my eyes welling up. As, as I talk about this, I told you I'm a crier and I won't even get into the, where he sang happy birthday to my daughter later on during the cruise.

But again, none of these opportunities, none of these memories happen without you. And that's number 11 are the opportunities because. If I was still a lawyer in New Jersey, again, thank you for changing my life. I never would've been able to do and see and eat a fraction of what I've been so fortunate and blessed to experience.

And I am, I need you to know that I am very hyper aware and am grateful for these moments and these memories, whether it is something in a park, an event, a travel and encounter any of it in all of it. Like I couldn't even come close to listing so many of the things that remained so firmly stuck in my mind and my heart, but anything and everything that I've been able to do is because of and thanks to you.

And I'm grateful beyond words for the life you have given me. And I hope that by being able to share and do so much of it with you, it has brought you a similar amount of joy as well. That leads to number 12. Our WWT O group events, because speaking of things that we've done and yes, nothing still beats a handshake and a hug that has more meaning now than ever from the very first meet of the month in January, 2008, which by the way, I was petrified to do, I thought nobody would come and I would have been like crazy happy if just one person showed up.

But little did I know it would not only be the first of countless meats of the month and meetups in the parks and world and land and overseas, but group events like Twilight at the tower are after hours renting out of the Twilight zone tower of terror for. And a few surprises, the American adventurous club dinner and the great movie ride our eat ticket weekends, the 40 hour live show.

What was I thinking? The in park scavenger, hunts and quests again. I'm sorry about Toontown the anniversary events, the cabins, the adventures by Disney backstage magic China, Japan, the cruises from new Orleans, the double dip Sherman, Alaska twice Ridley Pearson, star wars never landed. See Marvel. They'd see so many are Walt Disney family museum trip, every D 23 expo with the squishy carpet, the on the road events and so much more and more to come.

I'll be looking at the white board with ideas and I smile. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That leads me to number 13 and Becky Mankin and mouse fan travel. None of this would be possible without help. And because I am always nothing but honest with you, I'm really, really bad at asking for help. And if you know me, you should probably shaking your head and acknowledgement, but.

Again, none of this wouldn't be possible without the help and the support of mouse, van travel and its Royal and PR uh, founder and chief magic maker, Becky Mankin. And from the time we first met, I literally felt something in her about not just the way that she does business, but more importantly, the way she treats and appreciates people and our understanding of what was really important and why.

And from day one mouse, van travel was never an advertiser or sponsor from the very beginning we were partners and we were partners that shared a unified vision of not just what we wanted to do together, but doing things the right way in every sense of the word. And not only do I place my implicit trust in her, but her entire team of incredible travel advisors, many of whom are part of our WWF community and beyond what they can do, not only saving money, but sometimes making some real magic here.

They treat people as if they're family, because you are. And Becky has gone from partner to mildly awkward at first, go back and listen to her first episode, cast two, traveling buddy. And most of, most of all, um, part of my, and hopefully your extended family, number 14, every single guest, um, I have never, ever done a solo show.

And the first one doesn't count. Plus you can see why I want you to guest every week. Nobody wants to hear me monologue, but the show is, has always been more than interviews with cast members or imagined heroes or celebrities or authors and experts. In fact, most of the shows have been a product of exactly what I said from episode one.

They aren't just for you, but with you, because most of the segments, both recurring and one-off individual ones are by and with somebody from the www. Friends I've met and made along the way. And every day, ordinary people just like me, who just loved the parks and the movies and shows and you know, the Disney way.

And I wish I could list. And thank everybody who has ever been a guest on the nearly 1000 shows, going back to mouse tunes and some of the live shows that were bonus podcast episodes way back when, but it is an unfortunate impossibility, but please know that I am profoundly grateful to every person who has ever joined me on a show.

I literally could not have done any of this without you. And. Easy segue. Um, speaking of that to the final entry on my list is my family. And this goes without saying, but it cannot go without saying and by family, you know, I mean and include you. But it also goes to my parents who always believed in me from their very first days until their last, um, I was blessed to have parents who supported me unwaveringly and wholeheartedly, and I will save the rest of my sentiments, um, from my internal conversations and prayers to them.

But suffice it to say, As the, as the, the line goes, I wouldn't have nothing if I didn't have you. Um, although I bet that they never thought when they took me to Walt Disney world in November of 1971, where this were all lead, um, just like my wife thought she was marrying a lawyer in New Jersey surprise.

Um, we often think we have a plan for our future, but then we never know where life is going to take us. Um, it has been an adventure to say the least. And from the moment I said to her, you know, I think I'm going to write a book and she replied great. Cause all you know about us, Walt Disney world, uh, she has always remained my biggest supporter partner, friend and cheerleader.

And like Mr. Toad, it is very much been a wild ride full of twists and turns, but it is a, uh, a fun adventure to say the least and my children, my kids who aren't really little kids anymore. Yes. It's two your time. Once again, um, from the moment my daughter was born on Mickey mouse's birthday, which by the way, it took a lot of foresight and planning, everything changed.

Um, and I will spare you the tedium of me gushing over my daughter and son, but everything I do, I do for them. Um, my life took on different meaning when they came into it and we have been able to share incredible memories once again, thanks to you. And if you've been listening to the show for a long time, you've literally heard them grow up on the show from early dining reviews to recaps and top tens.

And I am so fortunate and grateful and blessed to be able to have chronicled their maturation in audio form. Like instead of just drawings on the refrigerator or photos from school, I have years of their words and their laughter and their voices to listen back to and. Hopefully their children will as well.

Yes, tears again, they are my life. They are my why. And they are the greatest gift from God. And I am thankful for them and to them for taking this wild ride together with me upset. Um, but as you can see, hopefully if you're still here, um, these memories are not about me. They're about you. And I know I'm a broken record, but I need you to know that none of this would have been nor would continue to be possible without you and your friendship and your love and your support and encouragement and kind words and messages, and inviting and welcoming others into our family.

The list of what you do and why it is special. It goes on and on and on. And whether you have listened since 2005, That's a lot of Lu or you just found the show in community, please accept my sincerest. Thanks and virtual hug. And I hope, you know, just how much you mean to me, whether we've met yet or not.

And admittedly, these have all been very personal, very subjective moments and memories. But I do want to know, as I always do, like, what is one or more of your favorite memories from WWF audio episode, a guest, a live show, a quote event, a meet, a cruise, anything you like and even better yet. You know what?

You can finish the sentence because I'd be really curious to hear how you finish the sentence because of WW radio. I have dot, dot, dot, finish that sentence. You can let me know. Post these in the WWF clubhouse, or you can call the WWT voicemail. I'll play it on the air. FORO 7 909 3 9 1 that's 4 0 7, 909 3 9 1.

Your favorite memory or memories, and then finish the sentence because of WW radio. I have.dot dot. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Here is to the future. Here is to hopefully 15 more years. I love you. I appreciate you. I thank you. From the bottom of my heart.

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So last week I asked you to tell me where in Walt Disney world, could you hear this line? And I'll do a really, really bad impression, uh, all right, everyone, stay on your number and move your arms a bit. Okay. Start scan. It's really important to get those like awkward ums and pauses in there because you know, that is your pre.

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And of course, I mean it, when I say that nothing continues to be the handshake and a hug stay tuned for our next meet of the month in Walt Disney world coming soon, probably going to be over princess marathon week in a couple of weekends. Thank you to everybody who is part of our Marvel day at sea cruise from Miami.

It was amazing. We will have a full recap and discussion of that coming soon. If you want to join us on our inaugural cruise on the Disney wish and you couldn't make June 20 that's okay. Cause it got pushed back. So our new date for the inaugural is now going to be August 1st, 2022. And we do actually have some availability on that cruise as well as our very maritime.

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And as I said, during the segment earlier, I am so thankful for the opportunities and life that you've given me. And I want to try and help you. I want to return that gift and help you either individually or your business, your event or school is a lot of different ways. I might be able to do that through speaking, coaching mastermind groups, special events, and more to find out everything that I have going on and how I might be able to work to help you visit Lumon jello.com and finally my friend and you, God, you are my friend.

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Thank you. Thank you for choosing this show for hopefully always remembering to choose the good to find the good in everything and everyone that you encounter, because if you spread positivity, I promise you that positivity will spread and you will feel better as a result as well. If there's ever anything that I can do for you to show my appreciation, please let me know.

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