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WDW Radio # 675 – Top Ten Smells in Walt Disney World (Revisited)

After more than 14 years (and the first time I’ve ever done this), it is time to revisit the Top Ten Smells in Walt Disney World, with some history, science, trivia, and memories along the way.

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Lou Mongello: [00:00:00] How are you going to talk about Mickey Mouse for an hour a week? You're going to run out of things to discuss in just a couple of months, and nobody is going to listen to you ramble on for an hour about Walt Disney world. That is just some of what I heard when I said that I wanted to start a podcast back in 2005 and 17 years.

And some shows that go way over an hour. I'll admit later, here we are. And in 17 years, and more than a thousand episodes, including the original podcast, the videos, the live shows, et cetera. I have never repeated a topic until today. Why, why now? And why this little bit of history. Back in 2008 on show 75, not coincidentally 600 exactly episodes ago.

I had an idea for a top 10 that admittedly I was hesitant to do, uh, nobody was going to get it. It wasn't going to make any sense. They're going to think I'm a weirdo. Now, some of those may obviously be true, but I, I very hesitantly. This is true. I very hesitantly pressed publish more than 14 years ago.

And boy was I wrong? Like you get me, you, you really do get me because my fear of you not knowing what I meant. When I talked about what the, what must do water smell and pirates was, was very quickly and very overwhelmingly eradicated. And while I am not a numbers guy that shows still remains one that is referenced.

And I hear people talk about and hear from people talk about nearly a decade and a half later. But as we know, [00:02:00] Walt Disney world is not a museum. Things change attractions and entire buildings come and go. And new, exciting and wonderful additions are put in their place. And as time goes on and technology improves and we as guests set even higher internal expectations, the experiences in Walt Disney world become more immersive and really do touch all five senses in 360 degrees.

Including the sense of smell. And so this week we're going to revisit our top 10 smells of Walt Disney world. And joining me this week is someone who knows a lot about smelling. I, I mean, since, I mean, Disney sense, she is Lisa Denodo Glasner from the castle run and we're specifically core memory candles.com.

Welcome back.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Thank you so much for having me. I'm crazy excited to talk about this topic and for another reason that is about to be

Lou Mongello: disclosed. Yikes. Thanks. And speaking of yikes, uh, one a welcome back little Timmy foster from celebrations, magazine, and guide to the magic who originally thought that musty water was a cologne from the eighties like Dakar Nawar Fahrenheit, Calvin Klein, obsession for men.

Cool water and high karate. Little to me. Welcome back.

Tim Foster: Thanks loop. So many things to correct there. I still think musty water is some cologne you made up. And I like how you snuck that in the intro. I can't even say that right away. You took it off the list, even though that was before

Lou Mongello: Tim, I CA I can assure you of something that the words, musty water work very, very quickly and repeatedly.

If they didn't, we were going to be doing this show very, very wrong, uh, because musty water is really sort of the foundation of [00:04:00] this. Episode, and I really did. I sort of, and, and let me

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: just cut it. I'm sorry. That was the other reason I've never been on a show with Tim and that is

Tim Foster: I w no, I was going to say, Lou, I want to know what this reason is.

Lisa's oxide. It clearly must be coming.

Lou Mongello: Ah, Jesus. She says Gideon of a school or as a school girl over there and meet him. And I did want Lisa to come because obviously you understand the importance of smell, right? It is. It is the sense that is most associated with memories or dare I say, core memories for the free shameless plug and memories that are especially emotionally evocative ones.

Like we are surrounded by in Walt Disney world. And I think too, and as I said in the intro, look, we're finding more and more smells in the parks are often being utilized to. Enhance the overall experience, not just even in an attraction, but in a resort lobby or just sort of outdoor areas of the parks.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Yeah. I think, you know, this is such an interesting topic and there's so much sort of neuroscience behind the power of scent and how primal it is. Um, and Disney has always been so, so smart about this and, um, very openly, you know, via Smeltzer and other things, um, you know, using the power of scent to drive that home and drive those memories home.

Um, and I don't know if we thought at all, if we're going to talk about like the parameters of what we were all thinking about when we were putting our lists together, but I know like for me, Going forward with that thought, you know, it's not so much about, oh, this lobby smells so pretty or the scent smells so nice.

Some of the smells on my list are not objectively good smells at all. Um, but there are these, the smells that have sort of like permeated these quiet moments that I've had at the parks over the years. Um, and they're the ones that I find [00:06:00] myself going back to and trying to replicate what I'm missing the parks.

Lou Mongello: All right. Because like we were saying, you know, from a purely scientific point of view, we as humans have more unique receptors for smells than we do for sites. So a lot of times if we smell something that reminds us of Walt Disney world, it is it's very specific. Um, and it very much sort of is, is I think even sometimes more clear than our visual memories.

And it's interesting as sort of, we, we think about the integration of smells into. Experiences that might not necessarily have it before. Did you know? Cause I'm attributed. Did you know that Disney was actually the very first filmmaker to ever explore the idea of using sense in a theater? Do you know?

And if not, it's true. What film did Walt all re originally want to use? Smells for in,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I remember the story and how I wanted to do it and the theaters couldn't like wouldn't budget it and I don't remember what movie it was.

Lou Mongello: Fantastic. Wow, Tim. Good. Look at you on the ass. Look at me. Look at me.

Tim Foster: I almost said old yeller, but I didn't think that was.

Lou Mongello: Yeah. So because of the expense, uh, they were not able to integrate smells into the theaters, um, general electric. Actually about 12 or 13 years later actually developed something called smell Rama, where they had this, this three-dimensional image of arose and the scent, but they also couldn't figure out how to involve it into, um, a movie theater experience.

You guys are both, I'm hoping that you listener is going to, do you remember back in the early eighties, there were a couple of movies that actually used not, smell-o-vision sort of pumped out into [00:08:00] the theater. They use scratch and sniff cards. And the first movie to do it was a movie called polyester by John Waters.

And as things were popping up on the screen, it would tell you to scratch, stop laughing at me. It's true. You'd scratch something. Uh, agile. I think it actually, I think supposedly they used it in, in like the fourth or fifth spy kids movie to look at something that they wanted to. Try and integrate later on into the movie going experience.

Um, but as you mentioned, these, uh, Disney have developed this smelter, like the Howitzer in order to artificially pump out smells that Disney knew from a, you know, a psychological sociological perspective would be, um, important and integral to the experience. And I think we'll talk a little bit more, um, and, and how some of those scents are so closely tied to our, our memories, because we know that the sense can trigger memories and more importantly, emotional responses.

And I think that is, is the real important part. And I think certain smells have certain type of emotional. Impacts and effects. Look, aromatherapy is a real thing that goes back, you know, hundreds. I think it goes back to like the ancient Egyptian that ends in Chinese sort of using a Roman therapy because they understood the importance and the evocative power of smell.

Tim Foster: There's so much knowledge being dropped right now. I can't, this is amazing. Who'd have thunk it.

Lou Mongello: I would say something relatively intelligent on a shelf when right into the science. It was great. I

Tim Foster: think the cool part about this as we're going to find out is as of doing my list, at least you talked about how do, how do we decide what to do is you make the distinction between those aromas calling them smell seems kind of not nice.

So I say aromas, the aromas that are introduced [00:10:00] deliberately versus the happenstance ones, but which we'll explored. But sometimes those are the ones that evoke the strongest man. As we'll


Lisa DiNoto Glassner: out, both have, they're both on my list. Very they're, they're both very present on my list, deliberate and not

Lou Mongello: deliberate.

And there is this continuing trend to want to integrate this very important, um, human sense into other experiences, you know, smell a vision and aroma Rama. Like those are things that are, you know, coming into some of the four DX experiences as well. Um, there's actually somebody, um, I believe from Harvard who is working on a technology that is going to allow your phone to be able to share sense as well as images and texts, which is just bizarre.

Um, and I think, and I think as we see too, like, I think sometimes when we think about certain sense, I was thinking about this as I was going through my mental list and some of the attractions. It's so interesting how we kind of think about smells and color, right? So if you think about citrus you're in that orange and yellow range, if you think about, um, you know, grassy scents, we envision things that are green.

And certainly that science is, is very much deliberate and intentional. And some of the things that Disney does as well. So I want to get right into the list. And I'm curious as Ann and Tim, you know, my feeling, not just guests first, I still believe in ladies first chivalry will never be dead. In my opinion.

I wonder, talk to me about how you started to assemble the list. Was it, you know, you closing your eyes and thinking about some of those. Powerful sense that come to mind is that the classic Disney sense isn't the most fragrant or pungent ones or that are for Julisa subjectively tied to personal [00:12:00] memories of the parks and resorts.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: So I come by my list really, really, honestly, because when I wasn't local to Disney, I really, really want us to be local to Disney and sort of yearn for the parks a lot when I wasn't here. Um, and so I was just trying to bring things into my home that would make me feel connected to this place when I couldn't be here.

And scent was a big one for all the reasons we just talked about. Um, and so my list kind of started back then and it was just sort of, it was it's, there's nothing really. I mean, there are some objectively wonderful smells on my list, obviously, but there's nothing like objective. Beautiful necessarily about everything on this list.

It's really like the sense that brought me home when I want it to be here. And that's kind of the heart of my list. There's lots, you know, there's other things on it. There's some that just sort of smell beautiful. They're newer and that kind of thing. Um, and

Lou Mongello: I'm sure I'm sure those objective and subjective smells probably were.

And we'll talk about this at the end, but probably were what led you to this idea of us as Disney fans wanting to not just go to visit those cents, but bring those cents back home and heard the creation of what those core centers were going to be for the core memory candle line.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, the, the, the sense that kind of brought me home when I needed it the most, um, You know where the sense that I then connected with that much more as a local, of course, and in creating format core memory, which is my line of like candles and other products that are based on these sense.

Um, it, it was, it was, it was an attempt to honor exactly that thing. And I'm not the only Disney centered Campbell company in the world. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be with the way that I've done. It has been to try and quiet quietly honor those sense in the way that I always wanted to consume them.

And that's sort of what the basis of the sense and the aesthetic of [00:14:00] my, my line based

Lou Mongello: on. So I'm really curious to hear what's on your list. Cause I know when I asked him it's going to be this incredibly like Obscura, go with me here type of thing. But where did you, where did you close your eyes and land on first

Tim Foster: I'm sitting right here.

I can hear you. So.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: So I could start in a lot of, a lot of ways. Obviously there's some softballs or some that obviously we can't not say, but I'm going to start with one. That's a little quieter. Cause I think it leads us into the topic nicely. Um, and that's the smell of the parks after a summer storm in the afternoon.

Um, it's, it's a smell of my childhood that takes me back every time. I think it's, it's interesting because it's one of those rare sense that isn't. Thing in the parks and it's not necessarily a solely Disney smell, but I think to an extent it's a solely central Florida smell. Um, and it's just that the way that the ozone and the rain hits the ground here and the sort of lush vegetation and oxygen in the air, and then kind of how it's, you can literally see it steaming off the sidewalk, um, after the rain ends and it kind of drops the temperature about 15 to 20 degrees for 15 minutes.

Right. Um, and the reason I think for me that this is such a big one, is that when I will come to the parks as a little girl with my family, we always had to come in the summer because my mom was a teacher and I was a student and that was sort of when we could make our trips. And so it was always these really hot days, which I didn't blink an eye at cause we were at Disney.

Um, but my father used to always joke that you could set your watch to the afternoon storms at 4:00 PM every single day. Um, and so when I smell that smell, I think it just takes me back to that time and that time with him, um, And again, like I love, I love that. I love that Disney understands this enough to use smells deliberately, but I wanted to lead in with something that wasn't necessarily deliberate because those were so much, those are just as powerful.

Lou Mongello: Um, [00:16:00] it was on my list. It was on my list. Um, I love a good, I actually love the late summertime early fall, lightening and thunderstorms here in Florida. Um, call me weird. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time you called me weird, but that's fine. And I love that. There's a you're right. There's a distinct smell here versus like when I lived in New Jersey, I don't know how to describe it, but, um, it just, my, my lit my notes in Florida after a rainstorm.


Tim Foster: am I supposed to follow that I'm done. That was fantastic. Was her

Lou Mongello: first

Tim Foster: one. I know it's

Lou Mongello: goodnight folks at the musty water and pirates and get it over with, go ahead. That's fine. You know, when you

Tim Foster: go on pirates and musty voters, now I have, um, I'm going to cheat right out of the gate and do it too.

So, um, I guess this is kind of actually a mix of, uh, the, uh, deliberate Imagineering touch that they added to an attraction and then an inadvertent one, but it might be even more powerful to me as far as the sense of memory goes. And, um, this is in spaceship earth and the, the obvious one, I think is spaceship earth.

When you're talking about aromas, incense and Walt Disney world is of course the, the burning of Rome scene and that BBQ. Charcoal scent, whatever you want to call it. Um, actually maintain if Disney, this is a million dollar idea right here. If they're listening, if, as we'll explore other attractions, if they were to set up a stand at the exit of spaceship earth, as you came out that sold like barbecue, chicken or ribs or something, they would clean up, they would clean up.

Cause everyone's in that mindset. And it always reminds us of the whispering canyon and the wilderness lodge, which is kind of another topic. But I throw that in there,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: but eliminating

Lou Mongello: our

Tim Foster: entire day. Now this is what letter does to me.

Lou Mongello: Tim makes now [00:18:00] he just meant 13 things and I'm

Tim Foster: learning see a 600 shows later, is that what it was?

And I'm learning how this works, but for that was just an aside, because actually I'm sure I said this in the first show. So I'm trying to come up with other things. I might not have said, uh, the one that spaceship earth though, that I didn't think of right away when we did the first show, but it has struck me over the years as well.

Just entering and you're walking up the queue and you enter the loading area. And it's one of these, these, these happenstance rooms are kind of hard to describe sometimes like that, that last, that must musty water smell, but this is like a, it's a metallic, oily mechanical, uh, tech kind of, uh, an aroma, but I it's, you know, forget the mural, forget the scenes, forget the music.

I mean, don't forget all those, cause those are fantastic. But when I get a whiff of that aroma, as I'm walking up the queue, the greatest cue and all of that busy work, I am instantly transported back to that first night in 1993, when I was there and saw it for the very first time and was in this, not just a cool new park, this whole new world that I've never.

Yeah, this is Epcot, just so different. And it's so cool. And I spent the whole evening walking around and that, that aroma brings me back to that moment. Every single time I go to space at birth.

Lou Mongello: Yeah. So I just wanted to be clear from my own sort of list, because you mentioned so many, you are talking about the Rome burning the smoldering embers, right?

Okay. Yes, it was the first thing.

Tim Foster: Oh, I mean the, the first time I was the second time I was talking about the

Lou Mongello: queue, the queue of spatial birth. Yeah.

Tim Foster: As you want, were you paying attention Lou, to anything? I just said, no, please say you got me. Right.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I mean, I, I, I listened. I

Tim Foster: listened to everything that you said.

I just, to me. [00:20:00]

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Rome, but I think he threw and he threw out along with lot of other ones, he threw in as a reference from burning, um, which were just FYI. And then he moved on to

Tim Foster: no, I mean the road birdie, that's an intentional aroma day, but it's that metallic when you walk into the loading area, that room is the, really the one I wanted to point out because to me, that's I love the Rome burning aroma.

It's great. But that, that Metallica, whatever you want to call it, a Rome as you first enter, that's the one that brings me back to that first visit. Every

Lou Mongello: time I almost feel like we have to now talk about Rome burning here, just because the, uh, Th the, the burning books as the big elephant in the room. It, and I almost sort of feel that we almost doing it a disservice by putting it so early, because it may be one of the ones.

And we'll talk about this at the end. It may be one of the ones that is the most recognizable, most powerful of all of the sense you say, Rome burning anyone on the planet to a certain degree, knows what you're talking about though. That smoldering embers those, um, from the burning of the library of Alexandria.

Thank God. There's a backup system to thanks to the goodness

Tim Foster: Jewish scholar. And

Lou Mongello: it's a scent that is. And forgive me. I don't, I'm not trying to touch anything else. It might be in this, but this burning Ember scent is something that we pick up in a number of other locations too. I don't think we've probably all ride Kelly river rapids as often as we ride spaceship earth.

Um, but that has that same sort of burning lot. I love the smell of burning woods. I love fires and fireplaces, but I live in Florida, so I don't get to do it as often as I like. But I think that that smoldering Ember scent is one of the most, um, so directly tied to a space. You can, you know [00:22:00] exactly where it's from.

You have you have specific memories of it, or at least I know that I do. And I think it's, you know, dare I say it. It's an important smell. That's obviously has to rank very high on the list and I'm sure, like you said, both of you have it on yours. Well, it,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: when I get shows up, it shows up elsewhere, but never in such a like, well, first of all, spaceship earth in itself is an iconic attraction.

So of course, you know, we are all are hyper familiar with its details, but like it's almost a meditative moment when it shows up because it's not a scene, it's just, it's a scene transition. So you go from, you know, the, the Roman scene to the next scene in the Arab and Jewish scholars. And as you're turning that corner, you're really just going to in a dark corner space.

And there's just some glowing columns and numbers in front of you. So it's such a quiet moment in itself. And I think for me, well, you took the words out of my mouth, a hundred, like so many times when you were, when you were talking about. It's um, it's, it's such a quiet moment. And when I, like, when I talked about like, when I would miss the parks and I would want to bring them home, I would kind of be aware that that was coming when I was here.

And so sometimes when I was here, I would be in a certain place and I would think, all right, really be present in this moment because when you go home, you're going to miss it a lot. You're going to wish you were back. And, you know, and, and that was always one of those moments. It's always on this sort of quiet, right?

It's in the quiet moment. So as you're turning that corner in spaceship earth, and I would always say, okay, be present in this moment. And that was the smell and it was dark and there was just like the embers glowing. And now that I live here, like you, Lou, I love fireplaces and summer storms and all that good stuff.

And I always joke half joke, but it's true. That one of the main things that I missed about living up north is being able to light a fire in my fireplace.

Tim Foster: It's funny too. Cause when. Uh, when w you know, I'm out there, whether it's blogging or on Instagram, whatever it is, there's, there's a few things I can count on. If I mentioned that that'll [00:24:00] trigger a great response from people. And that's one of them, if I mentioned any, any mention of spaceship earth in that scene.

Yeah. Everybody's flooding. And like, I love that. I love that scene. I love that scene. So, yeah, it's a powerful one. If I ever am in spaceship earth, and I get to that scene, and for some reason it's off, I'm going to be so upset first, I'm going to be horrified that they took it away. Although I know.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I'm sorry, I was just going to, you made it just made me think, like it's such like niche knowledge that like, when you find somebody else who knows about it, you get excited because you know, like you're with your people, like we're in the club, we all know about it.

Like, this is like, you know, when we say room berming, everybody who's listening knows exactly what we're talking about, but like, that's why we love them so

Tim Foster: much. I wonder if you T if they turned it off, that's just so permeated into the structure by now that you'd smell it anyway.

Lou Mongello: No. So it was. No. So you might, and during, during the early days of the parks reopening, after COVID, all of the smelters were turned off and there was a noticeable absence and emptiness, not just in the park, but very specifically in that scene, it's like having, it's like watching a movie without the score playing in the background, like something's missing and it's profound and pronounced and it's, off-putting, that's how spaceship earth felt without the Rome burning smell.


Tim Foster: Yeah. I mean, did you know, I guess you experienced that, did you realize right away what it was or was it just, something's not right? What is it? It took you awhile to

Lou Mongello: figure out how every fiber of my being to not destruct, bellowing out screaming. I love

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: that comparison though. Like watching movie without the score, like you can kind of feel that absence and not fight.

Put your finger on it for a split second. [00:26:00] Um,

Tim Foster: wow. That's

Lou Mongello: cool. But Lisa, what's next on your list. Oh gosh, please be food. Please be food. Could I? No, you don't have to. I want you to list.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Yeah, I'm just going to go straight to main street USA. Yeah. We, can't not talk about it. Um, just so I, again, it's like those formative memories and I think like weather, weather, magic kingdom is like your favorite park or not. I think most of us start our trips with magic kingdom when we come here. And so when you, when you approach and you kind of enter and turn that corner and first see the castle, the waft of the popcorn carts that hits you in the.

And like all the people and like the confectionery and the waffle cones and Casey's, they all kind of hit you at one time and it's again, like one of those, I mean, it's, it's for the most part and objectively nice smell of popcorn and cake and stuff. But I think even more importantly, it's so tied for me to like the first moments of a vacation with my family growing up when we turned that corner and that smell hits you in the face.

And I'm sorry, it's such an easy one, but I started with afternoon storm, sweat deserved a softball,

Lou Mongello: but

Tim Foster: you got to include that one. I actually had probably in 20 different forms had that on my list too. But, but I just sound like one of the first things, when we go to the magic kingdom, one of the first things we pretty much always do is go through the confectionary and it's.

Sorry, Lou. It's not to get something to eat right away, but it's, it just puts us in that Disney frame of mind. And it's mostly the aromas and it's everything mixed together. It's the cotton candy and the candy apples and, and everything. And, um, and you know, w and we probably don't even think of it that way, but that absolutely has a lot to do with it, you know, going through the confectionary.

Lou Mongello: [00:28:00] And I'm sort of happy that you put main street USA as an overall smell, because it's not there's individual elements to it. Right. There's the waffle cones. There's the popcorns there, there's the confectionary, each of which was on my list in different ways, because main street is not sort of this weird cacophony of sense, but it's almost like this transition.

We'll compare it to music. The audible transitions that happen relatively subconsciously, as you walk from places like from main street to adventure, land and adventure land crossing through to Liberty square, there is this transition that happens and you don't almost consciously are aware of it, but subconsciously you do.

And it all makes sense. And it's the same thing that happens from an olfactory perspective. As you sort of hit these transition points on main street USA popcorn on main street has this. Sensation of I've arrived. It also has a sensation of, this is usually the last thing that I get as I'm walking out, because I'm in enter on the right side, leave on the right side kind of guy.

So one of the, you know, I like to gravel sometimes a, uh, a bucket, a barrel, whatever of popcorn on my way out. So that smell for me is very much reflective of I'm on my way out of main street USA. Whereas the waffle cone, because I walk up the right side of main street, let's say usually that is my I've arrived scent.

It's not a visual of, I've seen the castle it's I can smell the waffle cones wafting out via the smelters from those greats below the windows of the, of the, uh, ice cream.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: It's so interesting. The way it's like a time progression, because there are places that I'm sure we'll talk about later in this conversation where it Disney does do a, uh, an intentional progression of sense, the kind of overlap and work together through the [00:30:00] course of an attraction.

But the fact that that naturally happens on main street from walking to, and it's even affected like, Lou, like you said to how you walk in, like, I'm like you, I walk in on the right and I exit on the left. So I usually get confectionary and waffle cones coming in and, um, you know, popcorn going out. Um, so it's such a, like, it's such a progressive experience and it's almost like, you know, like the, the type of light changes as you work your way down main street.

It's like the center kind of progresses with it.

Lou Mongello: Timothy.

Tim Foster: That's beautiful. Well, I just want to ask you so next time we all go, we're all going to go together, but if I take you Lou in the left. And we go out the other way. Are you going to be totally discombobulated

Lou Mongello: the whole day? I'm having the heebie-jeebies I'm having

Tim Foster: right now.

I can see it. I can see it. You're you're very uncomfortable right now.

Lou Mongello: You're a creature of habit. We all have it. Well, this is a separate top 10 top 10 things that like we have to do when we go to what you're listening about. We have, or Walt Disney world idiosyncrasies.

Tim Foster: Oh, I, I can't, uh, we have to do that cause I want to know what yours are, so I know which buttons to push.

Um, so for my next one, um, I think, uh, they see, you've mentioned this, there there's a few obvious ones that we should knock out. So I'm just going to knock out an obvious one that we absolutely should talk about. And that is sore and around the world. Of course. And, uh, the, the cool thing about doing that in this show is the first time we did this show, We were still in Soren world if I'm not mistaken.

So we were talking about pine trees and oranges and all that good stuff. And of course, now we have a new, well, it's not that new anymore, but we have no experience to go there. But there is a curious thing about this, cause there's so many beautiful aromas to catch you with [00:32:00] the roses, a Taj Mahal, the one of my favorites that sea salt water smell that you get as you go with the Fiji islands.

Um, this one is curious though, if I had to pick an absolute top favorite, I always think this is a weird choice, but everyone I talked to totally agrees and it's that dirt earthy aroma kicked up by the elephants in Tanzania. And when I described that to people who don't have never been there and don't know what I'm talking about, it strikes them as an odd thing.

Wait. Dirt smells good. It's like, oh, you, you have no idea. And I guess it's not dissimilar to, uh, the freshly mown grass that you would smell in your neighborhood or something like that. But there's just something about it. That's so I don't know what it is. I mean, it's, it's different than it's interesting.

I don't know if it's more powerful or whatever, but when I talk about soaring around the world with people, they're invariably the same. I like the elephant dirt smell, you know, and it's a weird, so weird. Maybe not so weird. Cause we all liked that one

Lou Mongello: and we almost, so you're

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: definitely not alone because I have a dirt candle and itself SI SI

Lou Mongello: what's the science behind this.


Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I think that to, to what you're saying, I think a lot of the times the smells that mean the most to us are the ones that aren't necessarily objectively pretty because we still love them. It's like, well, you know, the Norway pavilion smells delightful, but like anybody would think that smell delightful.

It's kind of like it, like, it like pulls your fandom out, right. That you like the stink of the water. And like, like, you know, the figment slot machines smells, right? Like that's what like pulls your, your fandom out. So I think a lot of times it is like weirder smells. Yeah. I

Tim Foster: think part of it too, for me was, it's not like you said, there's obvious ones and where we were used to soar.

And so we knew pine trees and even the oranges, I guess, or I guess a little unusual at the time, but [00:34:00] made sense. But, um, At this one, like the roses makes sense and the saltwater makes sense, but the dirt, I remember the first time I smelled, it kind of struck me out of that's odd. That's cool. You know, as a, as a thing.

So I always, maybe look forward to it a little more than the others, perhaps

Lou Mongello: I'm know it. I remember smelling the dirt, like one of, if not the first time and almost like reaching up to my nose, like I had my nose, like, it was. A powerful smell that I've never seen replicated artificially like that. Like how do you come up with the smell and kudos to the imagined years and all those who came up actually, wait, I'll tell you a very quick story going back in time, because Tim, you mentioned soar and obviously very much on my list, the water, the orange goes up.

the, the pine needles that, that surfing sand of, of Fiji are, are, are ones that I love. Sozo very much years and years ago. Um, I went and I was hired to speak at, um, I was hired to speak to a, um, an organization of funeral directors. And how we can integrate integrate Disney into their business. I swear to work, but they had like a little train show floor because there is, you know, obviously an industry and I met, um, some folks there who create the pellets that are used for the smelters in Walt Disney world.

I was fascinated by it and I actually ended up buying from them a little smell of machine that I brought to D 23 expo one year in our booth. And I had the orange groves of her, of horizons slash Soren in the booth at, um, at D 23 expo because I met them at a fair, at a funeral convention. They still have that.

Uh, [00:36:00] no, actually, no, I take that back. I, they loaned me the, I bought the beads and they loaned me the smell of, because what else am I going to use that. Well, see, that's the,

Tim Foster: here's a, here's a fun theoretical question for you. If you had the ability to replicate this in your home candles, not with standing and I so want these candles so bad, but, but if you could do that, yeah, we could, we can make that happen.

But if you could do that, that would be interesting. One. Would you do it? How often would you do it? Would it ruin it for you? Is it I, it's a good question. I think if you, if you put those, if you put that dirt smell, every time you walked into your house, would it lose some of its I'm at Disney charm?

Lou Mongello: I guess I I'm going to disconnect Lisa for a second because I don't want to hear this cause I don't want it to sound like a plug.

Oh no. I love candles. Like I, and I, we have like candle warmers in our house and we have a variety of sense. Thanks to core memory kalos.com for all your families, whatever. But it's interesting because in my kitchen we'll have. Th the scent of, you know, apple pie or whatever it is in, in one room in my family room, we'll have something else.

And up in my office, I have a, um, a wax melter too. That might be something completely different. So literally as you walk through my home, it's like, if you close your eyes or I put you on a little track, it's like going through a Soren version of Walt Disney world, because you can instantly sort of recognize, wait, that's a pretzel, that's a chiro.

That's the beach club. And so it's, you can sort of do that, um, in, in different ways at, at home, because it is not only does it make your house smell pretty, but you smell it. And you're like, ah, I'm thinking about cinnamon rolls, which I'll get to sooner rather than

Tim Foster: later, just to be clear. Did you, did you say you had a chiro scented candle or is that just on your wishlist?

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: [00:38:00] I do. I do have a

Tim Foster: chiro or you do. I want to know if Lou has a Turo center. He's not saying he has your scented candle. That's a get weird, but

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: he has my,

Lou Mongello: and I'm going to move on, um, Tim, that was yours, right?

Tim Foster: Uh, yes. Sure. Was it yours?

Lou Mongello: Yes. Yes. Okay. So I'm not going to go to a food related. One is tempted as I am, but I'm going to one that consistently, um, has.

Still to this day, such a powerful, going back to what I said earlier, I have an emotional response to it and it makes me do something that you're not necessarily supposed to do on an attraction and stop looking at me funny, I'm getting to the punchline here. The very first time I rode flight of passage, I came off that attraction with literal tears coming down my face because I had the sensation of flight I felt and still believe it is unlike an a, I know it sounds like hyperbole, but it's unlike any other attraction in Walt Disney world.

And there are many different scenes that have that olfactory sensation really sort of complimentary complimenting what you are seeing on screen. But when you enter the cave. In the valley of Milwaukee during your flight, there is this fragrance that fills the air that causes me to close my eyes and not in a bad way, cause I'm scared to be in the cave because I love the scent so much and it was relatively easily recognizable to me because it, it very much, in addition to having floral elements, smells of peppermint and the reason why I recognize it so well.

And then I was able to sort of connect the [00:40:00] dots is because, um, as somebody who was knock on wood past tense was a frequent migraine suffer. Peppermint oil was one of the sort of tricks that I would use to help get rid of my migraines because peppermint oil actually helps with movements and dizziness and headaches.

And because it has this sort of. Menthol element to it. Um, it, it helps to sort of relieve some of that potential dizziness or vertigo that you might get Azure on the attraction. So as sort of top stopping and literally, and figurative taking sort of a, a little pause and a breath, it does allow you to, to, if you are somebody or potentially might have issues with dizziness or vertigo, I think it's very deliberate that that scent was chosen to not allow you to have that.

So not only is it cool and crisp and refreshing and wonderful, but I think there are some relative quote unquote medicinal aspects to it as well. And it is, it was very, very high on my list of all like overall favorite sense anywhere in Walt Disney world.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: You're definitely not alone. I think that that is.

As new as it is. It's incredible how iconic the cave centers and how beloved it is by everyone. And it's so smart, right? Because like you're in the middle of this thrill ride. That's like very sort of in all, in all sense, like every, there's a lot of incoming, like that's very overwhelming to take in and they give you this like 32nd meditative moment, like very suddenly in the middle of the thrill ride before taking off again to kind of catch your breath and you can literally feel the banshee breathing under you.

Um, like he's catching his breath too. Um, yeah, it's, it's just this universally beloved scene and they were so smart to use natural sense for it that are, like you [00:42:00] said, actually therapeutic, like.

Tim Foster: You know, if that's, if the therapeutic thing is true and I, and I love that you're digging into so much of the knowledge behind us, which is great, but I kind of wish that they would put some peppermint power of terror so I can get through it.


Lou Mongello: Tim, I'm going to get, maybe

Tim Foster: they do, maybe I'll put a little under my, under your, on your upper lip kind of thing. It

Lou Mongello: was a tiny little stick. I have no horses race called Migra stick. And it's this maybe three or four inch little tube that has this role, almost like a, like a ballpoint pen rolling ball at the end.

And if you get migraines or dizziness or vertigo, you literally just put it on your temples or even like a under your nose. And in seconds it goes away. It's it is miraculous and completely natural. I will give

Tim Foster: her a test run that.

Lou Mongello: You can afford to stick your face candles. You could do that. Like,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: and I don't do that.

Very good of an LPs float around one of the parades because she also smells like peppermint.

Tim Foster: Oh, I'm in

Lou Mongello: where are we, Tim? What's on yours. Hi,

Tim Foster: my next. Okay. Let's see. Um, all right. You know what? I'm going to do this and this, this would be a good one for all of us to chime in on. Cause it's hard to narrow down. Like you talked about the musty water smell. That's we need to talk about that. Cause that's, that's a powerful one.

Um, uh, but as I was thinking about it, um, because the first thing that came to mind was pirates. Cause you always tease me about that. There's so many other attractions that have that. Uh, and I thought I'll have one that I'm going to throw out there, but I'm curious what you guys have. I'm sure you all have entries for musty water smell, but in different attractions along the way.

Um, and actually for me, the one that strikes me as more powerful, most powerful is, [00:44:00] uh, it's a small world. When I, when I, when you go down the ramp into the loading area and you're going through, and it could be exactly the same. I, I don't know, but it's just because of the surroundings and where you are.

The contrast of that to the musty water smell in the caves, the pirates of the Caribbean it's can musty water smell be happy. Cause it's, it seems happier to me somehow, but. But again, it's one of those. Absolutely not intentional by any stretch. It's just the happenstance of the mechanics of having a boat ride indoors and all that kind of stuff.

Not to mention the passage of time. It's been there for 50 years now. So, but like these other ones, it's when I get a whiff of that aroma, as I descend into the, into the loading area, I'm, I'm back to being that little kid and it's a small world, like more so than the music and the site and everything, and the individuals and all that.

It's like, you talked about that sense of smell that takes you right back again. So, and again, there's so many quote, unquote, musty, water smells and other attractions. So I thought, again, this would be a good one for all of us to chime in on, because I'm sure we've all got ones on our list along these lines.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: So, um, yeah, of course, absolutely. There's a few of them as well, the core of the musty water. And it might be that you're smelling it in its purest form in small world, because I think at this point they, all the other ones have kind of other ascent overlays is that they have to, they clean their water with bromine instead of chlorine.

And it's the scent of the bromine. That's kind of that distinct, um, Disney musty water scent. I think that most of us associated with, for me, I mean, obviously pirates, um, is huge. And we can all talk about that, but, um, a more unique one for me that I love so much as the land.

Lou Mongello: Yes. That was on my list [00:46:00]

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: as you get that soil sense and like the ozone and like all the, again, like going back to like that vegetation and like, it's really so humid in there and it's such a cool.

Peaceful ride again where you really get to soak it all in. Um, so let's, we can talk about pirates, of course, but for me like the land and the whole land pavilion, you know, it was a conversation. We could probably do a show on the sense of the land pavilion, um, from the carpet on the walls to sunshine seasons.

But like, for me, it's like, it's the ride? And kind of, again, it's another progression where you go from the, um, the greenhouses into, I'm sorry, when you go, you go from like the more, uh, you know, created scenes that you go through and then you'd go into the greenhouses. So there's kind of a scent progression there as well.

Lou Mongello: Uh, obviously musty water and all of its context. It was, it's interesting how the same scent smells differently in different contexts. The muscly water of pirates sounds as smells almost more. Woody and sulfury, whereas in small world, it smells a little bit lighter and cleaner and living with the land has this again, if that musty water mixed with dirt and flowers and sort of going backwards, like you could smell the green, right?

You can smell the plants in living with the land, as well as some of the sulfur, just in the regular, flirty and water, but where you sort of smell the musty water differs your subjective sensation because of the context of the attraction of.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: And then in something too, like, it's interesting because it's kind of in its purest form and small world, and then in the land, that's kind of an unintentional, like product of all of the like foliage and stuff that you're around.[00:48:00]

And then in pirates, they kind of, I think they kind of layer in, there's like a gunpowder kind of smell for the cannon balls and there's like a sweet smell with the rum and fire. So, um, there's like the pure bromine and then like the more natural change to it. And then in pirates, I think it's the most like deliberate at this point,

Tim Foster: musty.

Lou Mongello: Yes. I must do a water again. And I'm not kidding, like 14 years ago. I remember like describing it as musty water and I'm like, nobody's going to get this, like, I'm seriously, like, nobody's going to understand what I'm talking about and that there was this moment. I'm like, you get me like you, these are you.

We are like literally bonding over the musty waters.

Tim Foster: Well, let me ask you, well, both of you, because this is something we talk about. We talked about with many people like our friends and family and stuff, it's come up and I get this. When I mentioned this, Hey, I'm doing a show on top smells. You're doing what tops, but that's the one everybody will invariably come up with first.

And I'm curious if you have that same experience as you're talking to other people about this idea. If that's at the top of their minds too, as

Lou Mongello: right up there, the question that I'm going to post in the clubhouse, um, at www.com/clubhouse, when you close your eyes and I ask you to think of a smell in Walt Disney world, don't think about it.

Tell me what that first smell scent that comes to mind is put it in context, share the story again. I'll post it at wwf.com/clubhouse. All of us. Everybody has an answer to this. Everybody will close their eyes. Not while you're driving, please. Um, we'll close rise and something's going to come to mind. And I'm really curious as to what that is.

And to your point, Tim, where does musty water sort of fall in that list here? Uh, [00:50:00] is it my turn? You're keeping score, not me

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: just talking.

Lou Mongello: So, um, my name is Martin and

Tim Foster: to be fair, Lisa was piggybacking on my idea. I don't know if that was really her next entry or not. So I think to be fair. Oh no, I went, wait, what?

You know what your, it's your show? Your.

Lou Mongello: I don't know what I'm talking to that it does. Listen, don't worry about, listen. It's been too long. Since somebody mentioned something that didn't smell like dirt or sulfur or, or musty water or bromine or chemicals, we need to get something that smells delicious.

And if I close my eyes and I think about a scent that reminds me of something tasty, like my mind is wobbling, lawfully, accidental pun waffling in between in between the two. But unless you're driving close your eyes, close your eyes. And. Imagine you're in, Mickey's fill her magic and that smell of the app of fresh baked apple pie with the cinnamon and the cloves and the Graham cracker crust.

And you can just sort of feel it all around you. And then all of a sudden you're thinking about being at your grandmother's house or Thanksgiving dinner, or wherever those connective memories of having apple pie, July 4th, whatever it is, come to mind, I will tell you that. When I first smelled it, when would fill her magic first opened.

Gosh, so many years ago, I remember being in the grocery store, I guess this is what like 2005, like summer of 2005. I remember going to the grocery store and trying to find like aerosol [00:52:00] spray that smelled like it too. Cause I wanted this scent of, um, I wanted this sort of to recreate this kind of scent at home.

Like I re I know that like Glade or something had like an apple pie spray, it was close, but it wasn't quite the same thing. I, I may or may not be having, uh, the poison apple sent burning in my, uh, in my office right now to specifically bring that one home.

Tim Foster: I'm glad you said that one. So it was on my list, but as sprayed, I bring it up in, you would say, well, yeah, of course. A little bit, but no, I love that one. And that's uh, well you mentioned when you go on main street and you get those first aromas, uh, that's one thing that I, when I'm at the magic kingdom, that's what I know.

Or I feel like I'm there, or at least I'm in fantasy land is when I smell that. Oh, what can you

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: to think to bring this conversation? Semifinal, semi full circle. Um, when we were talking about how Walt wanted to have the sense that Fantasma Rick and the theaters couldn't afford it. And it's like, all these years later in his park, we're doing what he wanted to do.

It's just kind of a cool, cool little on-edge

Tim Foster: and they, again, if they put up, I'm sorry, they put up a snack cart at the exit with apple pie, Allah mode and little thing, they

Lou Mongello: would. He would clean up like a little, like one of those, like handheld. Okay. Wait. When I used to go grocery shopping with my mother and I'd be in like food town or Pathmark in New Jersey.

And Drake's made like those little like apple pies, like in the yellow and the green and white thing. And I would ask her, well, or you go to McDonald's as a kid and they have like apple pie that was like 14,000 degrees. And you'd obviously burn your face off, but who cared? It was worth it because it smelled and tasted so good and was probably good for you too.[00:54:00]

Tim Foster: I'm telling you. Yeah. But all like

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: leak out then by then. So it,

Lou Mongello: this scalding your arm for the whole time I had to

Tim Foster: cook those, but that's a whole other story, so, but yeah. Uh, how good would it be?

Lou Mongello: Lisa we're back. Oh, good.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Um, so I'm going to go with another good smell. That's a little different from what we've been talking about.

Cause it's not in park. Um, the shower products, the bath products. So there's such a specific scent to the H2O stuff, but like earthy, like eucalyptus kind of smell. And it's so funny. Cause like when I come here on vacation, I would pack shampoo and conditioner to use. But then when I would leave my vacation, I would have like a suitcase full of these little samples.

Now they have them in the pump. They're smart, right. Um, in the shower, but they used to be able to take the little bottles home and I would always have all the bottles. Um, and every single time I would pack shampoo and conditioner from home, but then leave with a suitcase full of H2O bath products. And like when you would need like a little hit of Disney, you could like pull one and use it in the shower.

Lou Mongello: When you need a little hit of this.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: You know what missing Disney and you want to feel

Tim Foster: close to home? Well, you just made my day because you've reminded me. I have quite a collection of those little H2O in my bath. I forgot about.

Lou Mongello: So when we're done here, we'll sell them on eBay. Like there are,

Tim Foster: well, all right, well, I'm going to go get a kid of Disney one,

Lou Mongello: loved it. Right? And, and now it's, they're H2O products, right. That Disney uses. And you can buy those. You can buy those in the store and on the shop Disney website,

Tim Foster: it's actually really nice. Yeah. [00:56:00]

Lou Mongello: Do they still have, it's been long. Do they still have, for a while? They had one that was like a tea tree. It was like a green tea, like centered shampoo.

It was all God. It was so good.

Tim Foster: I love it.

Lou Mongello: We all know we all have our favorites. No, I know.

Tim Foster: I actually remember that one. Your tongue, can I, can I throw in an out of order piggyback one on that one? Cause I totally didn't have this on my list, but that reminded me. We were talking about that and we're talking about bath products and stuff.

What am I favor? It's going to sound weird. But one of my favorite places to shop, um, even just to browse is at the grand Floridian at base in white and to go get I I'm the, I go in, I get that salt, sea salt scrub and go to the sink and God, why? Because you can wash your hands there and dry them off. But, but you can, you can try out all these different soaps and stuff.

And it made me think of that. And I didn't realize, I forgot about having them on my list. That's something we do every time when we go to the grand Floridian, for whatever reason, we make a point to go in there and just browse around and, and to get, catch a sentence or whatever, a sensor to show where we

Lou Mongello: want to try that, you know, that's right.

Cause the last time you were here or one time you were here, when we do that, yeah. You may be coming up the basin with you. It was a little weird. You're like here, try this scrub. I'm like, dude, I'm good. Yeah. My hands up. And I love it. And my hands and my, my hand have never been so soft. Your hands are very gentle and weird again.

Tim Foster: But yeah, actually we tell people at the grand Floridian, that's a great overlooked attraction. Go over there and go and wash your hands. I mean, it's, it's better that,

Lou Mongello: so I'm going to sort of combine a couple into one if that's okay, because it's a, it's a, it's something that I. [00:58:00] Reminds me of a single location, but it also reminds me of a time of year and a certain event.

And I had on my list all year round yield Christmas shop. Cause if I ask you to think about what some of the seasons smell like, I'm going to imagine that your mind probably goes first to winter time, Christmas time and the smell of cinnamon and apples and pine. And that's exactly how yield Christmas shop smells all year round.

And it's this wonderful like respite, especially from the heat and humidity sometimes in August to walk in. And we talk about sort of these transformative places and experience and all of a sudden, you're not in the sweltering humidity of central Florida, but you are in this Northern new England.

Coastal village town in the winter, and you could almost hear the crackle of a fireplace and smell those pine needles and the apples. And that connected me to Christmas in, in magic kingdom, especially like during the parade and some of the specific sense that they pump out. Um, not just some of those wintery smells, but the sugar cookie and the peppermint candies, and, um, you know, Goofy's float and that the smell of Christmas in Walt Disney world in that shop specifically, and then during the Christmas parties, um, it is one of my all time favorites.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Christmas at Disney was an item on my list with all those things. I think there's like the gingerbread houses and the trees. Like it's smells so good. And the Christmas shop, isn't it. That's interesting. You like peppermints because there's some peppermint in the, smell it Christmas shop

Lou Mongello: God. I would love a gingerbread cookie right now.[01:00:00]


Tim Foster: Yeah. Oh, Hey, well, out the gingerbread houses, when you're visiting them in the grand Floridian or the beach club, wherever you get that gingerbread smell. Hey, for throwing holidays, let's throw in Halloween and a little pumpkin spice, because that always struck when you were asking, what do you think of first?

I probably actually wouldn't go on Halloween right next to Christmas, but, but I love Halloween too. A lot of the same aromas, but some different ones, but

Lou Mongello: that's a great one. And again, because of this, this is not a top 10. Lisa, what else do you have on your list?

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Are we already, at that point? I have

Lou Mongello: like probably three times three lists too.

So maybe we do one more each and then our honorable mention. Oh, gosh. Well, can we just got 16 pages of notes?

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Well, I get so excited about this topic. Um, you know what, there's one you haven't done. It surprises me, um, that I'm going to go ahead and say then is meets a Koshy. Um, I love the, and that's another one.

That's just like an amalgamation of all these things. There's like the snacks in the back and the Saki bar, obviously the incense that's burning and like all the paper and they, when they, it's not as prevalent now because they used to do the big area where they would do the oysters. Um, so you would almost get like a little musty water in there too.

Um, and that's the spot that like, I feel like I, I feel like because it's such a, I love the store. It's probably my favorite store in all of Disney world. That it's also a big open space and someplace that I find myself like hanging out to kill time or like running into during a storm. Um, so it's a place where I kind of ended up.

Often when I'm not necessarily doing something else besides kind of taking it in. Um, but yeah, I love the smell of

Tim Foster: meats.

Lou Mongello: Koshi Dan was on my list,

Tim Foster: you know, it was on my list. I'll tell you the, the notion of Mitsubishi department store being the favorite store in all of Walt Disney world. That is the correct [01:02:00] answer is that is my favorite store and all of all this and yeah, it's the same.

It's it's like you said, it's, it's neat that it's so big, but you w you walk through and you get, you experience these different things. You go through room to room, which is cool. And I like hanging out in that middle room with the incense a lot, but, uh, but yeah, but the whole thing. Oh, so good,

Lou Mongello: Tim. What's next on yours.

Oh, gosh.

Tim Foster: Um,

Lou Mongello: All right. Well, I'll do this. Nobody has mentioned something yet, but well,

Tim Foster: maybe I'm going to do it, but I'm not sure. So we're talking, we're talking about going on main street USA, getting that first whiff of something in the parks. I talked about I'm home in fantasy land when I am fill her magic or at potted spaceship earth.

But before you get into any of the parks for me, anyway, you ride that first invest in greatest attraction in all of Walt Disney world. And I can see Lou smiling. So he knows her going. This would be the monorail, of course. And it has, you know what I was, I was trying to think of how do you describe what the monorail smell?

It smells like the monorail it's like, uh, it's it's, it's the new car smell. That's 50 years old. Maybe that's a good way to put it. I don't know. But a. It's it's. I mean, the monorail is so perfect as your first entry in a Walt Disney world for so many reasons. And that's one of them and it's it, it might not occur to you, but it just hits so many senses.

Uh, you hear that, you know, please stand clear the doors and everybody can recite that. And when you hear that, when you hear the thunk of the doors, you know, either the visuals, obviously, um, it's amazing thing to look at, but that the, the aroma too, and that's right up there with all the other sensory experiences you have and you get on the [01:04:00] monorail and, and again, when I'm getting on it, the first time I can see it, I can hear it, but just smelling it, which sounds kind of weird, but instantly, probably one of your first I'm at Disney moments, you know, um, And there's so many of them that are inspired by smell, but that that's a powerful one for me.

So, and that stays with me no matter how many times I ride it, every time I get

Lou Mongello: on the same thing, Tim, we have either known each other the too long, or we're more alike than I care to admit because I had the monorail on my list. And the note was sort of that I, you, you can not describe it, but you know it and we're not talking about, let's be clear.

We're not talking about the summertime late afternoon two. It smells like the people in the monorail smell very different. We're talking about just you in that empty monorail and. It is sort of like that old new car smell. And I tried to sort of, you know, it's like, like some of the other sense that we're talking about trying to relate it to an ingredient, or even if you're talking about like a wine, well, it, it, you can taste the Oak and you can taste the cherries.

You can taste the plugs. I can't do it with the monorail, but it's one of those as a Disney enthusiast, if you know, you know, and if you've written the monorail, you know, the scent that we're talking about, it's, I'd be very curious if anyone is able to articulate and really sort of put into words, what does the monorail smell like?

Not the people in the monorail smell. It looks summertime and Walter, all this hot, we all get it, but what does the monorail smell?

Tim Foster: Well, I want to hear Lisa. She doesn't answer to this.

Lou Mongello: She would never, I'm trying to figure out how am I going to do a monorail candle? Why was my

Tim Foster: first question? Is there a monorail?

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I think it would sell more as a gag gift. Probably I [01:06:00] associate it with the smell of, um, like Berber carpet like that. Cause I w like the carpet, I don't know if it's literal carpet, like the walls, like what's on the walls is like that Berber carpet smell. That's that's what I associated with.

Tim Foster: I like it.


Lou Mongello: not? So for my last one, and I know we'll hit on a couple of quick honorable mentions, but for my last one, I'm going to consolidate a few that I had listed separately. And I will, I will bet you dinner at the boat house that you have these on your list as well. And I will consolidate the lobbies of Walt Disney world.

And I think when a lot of times, if you say a lobby and Walt Disney world, the instant sort of gut reactions to go to the Polynesian, maybe the contemporary, maybe yacht and beach, but there are so many, and those are all wonderful, comfortable, familiar sense, but I like places like wilderness lodge it again, it's that fireplace it's, you can almost smell like cloves and timber and spices and woods that it doesn't matter what time of year you go.

You almost have you almost sort of gravitate over to the fireplace because there is this sort of wonderful warmth and smell that it has. All year round. And I think if you go up to, through the secret study area on that second level by the fireplaces, I think that's one of the best places to really get a sense of it.

Uh, the Swan and dolphin have remarkably beautiful smells on in mind, in their lobbies. And you know what to don't judge, if you go to the sea and you stay at the Swan and dolphin, the sheets, whatever type of like detergent or fabric [01:08:00] softener, they use like the sheets smell. God, they're so comfortable too, but the sheets smell so good.

And I love, love, love the smell of the Riviera. Um, the Riviera very, very quickly became one of dare. I say, probably a top three resort for me and. The only, I I've tried desperately to figure out what the lobby smells like. And the only thing that reminds I'm, I'm a big tea drinker and it reminds me of like Jasmine black tea.

And what is it? It's bergamot that, that's what it smells like. And I love it. I love the Riviera gosh, sitting in Voyager's lounge with a nice little cup of something. That's a nice day right there,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: Lou. Thank you. I just like my whole body just exhaled in relief because you just tackled like most of the rest of my list in one fell swoop and I'm so happy and I will say you're not alone.

Um, my we've, we haven't given it proper homage, but the ocean air scent is the most iconic sense at all of Disney. And we've mentioned it in passing. It shows up in flight of passage and obviously contemporary and be like tower and beach club and yacht club. And it's that ocean air scent. That's kind of so iconic at Disney.

And we associate it very much with Disney world. Um, my

Lou Mongello: Riviera like Kramer from Seinfeld, like it's like the beach, it smells like the beach.

Tim Foster: Yeah. Right.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: But it's everywhere. It Disney and it's, you know, it is the most iconic Disney scent. Like we haven't given it proper homage in this talk because it's just such a given probably, but it's, it is the most iconic Disney scent.

I think it's setting aside maybe, maybe pirates. Um, but my Riviera candle has overtaken my ocean flight. In sales, like bipolar, like the Riviera scent is so beautiful and it's so, um, it's beautiful and it's floral without being overly feminine, because like you said, it's sort of notes of tea rather than hard flowers that are coming at you.

Um, [01:10:00]

Lou Mongello: just looking at my office, I don't seem to have a Riviera candle, cough, cough,

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: and I'm sold out,

Tim Foster: but I think you dropped a hint there.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: I will, I will remedy that

Tim Foster: quickly.

Lou Mongello: Yeah. So very quickly, Lisa, then Tim honorable mentions that are on your list.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: So like I said, thank you for what you just did because you just made that so much easier.

Um, but, um, I, can't not mention the haunted mansion, the musty era, the haunted mansion. It's like such a powerful pool for me. The caramel, when you walk into college who coached in, um, Germany? Um, obviously we're here. We just talked about and, um, last bit, most definitely not least. And I haven't mentioned it because it's extinct now, sadly, but it came in two forms and that's the orange blossoms scent.

Um, that was originally in horizons and then was in the old Soren and now we don't have it anymore, sadly. Um, but that's like, that's like the smell of my childhood. Like I remember turning that corner into that orange Grove room in horizons. That might be my earliest childhood memory. So it'll always be on my list, whether it is still at Disney or not.

Lou Mongello: Tim,

Tim Foster: I love those. I'm glad you said haunted mansion too. That's a big one.

Lou Mongello: That's a tough one to sort of put your finger on, like, I know what the mansion smells like, but I could never describe what the hundred mentioned smells like. Well, I

Tim Foster: would say musty, but not, it's not musty water cause there's no water in there, but.

It smells like an old house. So, um, let's see. I, you know, I'm glad you said this one is, uh, looks, I had that on my list and I never know how to describe it as best I can always come up with. It's like tropical bubblegum, but you know, maybe there's a literal thing for what that is. Um, uh, let's see the, again, extinct, but one, I always remembered when.

Yeah, you call it swampy, damp the dinosaur scene. And from Ellen's energy, adventure, university [01:12:00] of energy had had that distinctive swampy, prehistoric aroma to it, which was fun.

Lou Mongello: Um, I'm just happy. You didn't say it smells like Ellen, like this, it smells

Tim Foster: like Ellen, like, I wouldn't know, but, um, uh, of course there's new sense.

So you talked about the flight of passage being a newer arrival. Uh, Remy's Ratatouille adventure of course, has its own kitchen food sense to, uh, for a new, a new generation of Disney goers to experience. And I, I've only written that once. So I'm looking forward to really digging, you know, picking up on all the subtleties and attraction of being one of them.

Um, flowers is a know big one. There's lots of flowers around Walt Disney world. She can't even really talk about all of them. Of course. Um, one thing I put down just in referencing flowers was, uh, memories of flower garden festival and also of the. The, the pathway leading from the imagination pavilion and the world showcase, I has always had roses.

And it was literally when we talk about stopping and smelling the roses, that's where I would do that

Lou Mongello: Plaza rose garden.

Tim Foster: I was going to say, brings to mind, oh, that's right. The Plaza has garden. I remember that. Um, one thing I remember from flower garden, there's so much to talk about. Of course that's a whole other show, but it was, and I don't know if this is their loot this year.

You can tell me because I've been there yet. Um, and France, they had a perfume garden where you would, uh, the, the gist of it being here's the, the, these are the flowers that inspired many of the perfumes. You might be able to find in the gift shop, but it was neat, had little, little, uh, stations where you could lift up and, you know, uh, smell this flower and this flower in this flower, that was a fun thing to do.

But, um, but again, so many flowers to talk about where do you start? So I'm just going to leave it at that one. But, um, I think that actually up. My list. There you go.

Lou Mongello: So my list, my honorable mention list is actually very small. I had a couple of just food related ones, [01:14:00] which I didn't think this is totally bored, their own position in the top 10, because like the cinnamon roll from Gaston's Tavern is really just a cinnamon roll, right?

Like just like Mickey waffles are really as waffles and that maple syrup scent that we love. But for some reason, all of those taste better when you're in Walt Disney world. Um, I thought about animal kingdom and one of my favorite places in all of the parks is the lower level seating area of flame tree, flame tree, barbecue, looking out over the water expedition, Everest off in the distance, but that it's not just the scent of roasted meats, but again, it would go back to that, that fire and then sort of the cooking.

The word like that. And I'll pull a little bit of a T I'll. Wait, you know, what else to, um, gear as you walked by gear Ghirardelli, like in Disney Springs, there's this wonderful scent that sort of WAFs out from there, but if you've been to animal kingdom and I actually think it smells different and it smells better.

And like, Tim, go with me here. First thing in the morning on a, on a, on those relatively infrequent cool mornings that we get here in Walt Disney world, the damp cool trails of discovery island have this sort of rain forest. Like not that I've ever been to it I've been to the cafe. I've never actually been to a rainforest, but I imagine this is what a rainfall.

Smells like it's damp and it's lush and it's green and it smells like mulch and tree bark. And when you get some of those cool, almost like dewy mornings as you walk through, especially if it's really nice and quiet. Um, it's again, it's not just the olfactory sensations, but it's that wonderful mixture of all five [01:16:00] senses in 360 degrees in terms of what you smell and what you touch eventually, what you taste when you get to breakfast.

Um, in that little section that I really like as well,

Tim Foster: as soon as you said that I, I went there. I knew what you were talking about. So,

Lou Mongello: so funny. And next time you come down, we'll actually go there together. So, but I want to know another promise I want, but I always deliver. Right. I always deliver. I want to know from you who's.

When you close your eyes and you think of that memorable scent in Walt Disney world, what is it that comes to mind first and what comes to mind most vividly? And if you think you can sort of articulate why let us know. And the best way to let us know is by going to the clubhouse over on Facebook, it's www.com/clubhouse.

I will post that question there. You can also call the voicemail. Tell me if you're in Walt Disney world, it's even better call the voicemail at four oh seven nine hundred w 909 3 9 1. That's 4 7, 900 WDW one. And let us know. And then when you open your eyes back up again, I have not one but two places and people that you need to go to again, Tim ladies first, uh, Lisa, now that we have everybody in sort of the smells of Walt Disney world, Frame of mind tell people where they can find your sense and your oils and all the stuff that you've got going on at core memory candles, et cetera.

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: So to lead into that, my name is Lisa Denato Glassner. My blog is the castle run.com, where we talk about our move here and sort of recreating a life. We love a mile from Disney world. And on there, most importantly, you will find my candle shop under the shop tab, which is core memory candles, um, where I have a variety of candles and lacks, Munson oils, and other goodies, um, that are all made to evoke exact exactly what we've been talking about.[01:18:00]

Lou Mongello: And then when you're done with that, then you need to go to visit little Timmy foster and all the good stuff he's going on. Got going on over at guide to the magic and celebrations.

Tim Foster: So I'm fifth on the list or whatever. That's great. Now we have, I, you know what? We got so much excitement coming up. We still have our 50, uh, 50 years of Walt Disney world magic books, still there with its free anniversary pin.

And we're also, we have a lot of Epcot, goodness, coming up, we have an all new book we're working on a new hard cover coffee table, collectible book, 40 years of Epcot magic. We're going to go in depth on everything, the attractions, the history, the whole gamut. And of course we're working on celebrations magazine.

Our fall issue is going to be our summer issue. Sorry. That's going to be our Epcot issue as well, coming out soon. So all it celebrations,

Lou Mongello: press.com. Awesome. And I will link to all of those in the show notes over@www.com. Lisa, Tim, thank you. It, this is, this, this episode literally was 600 weeks plus in the making, uh, as we revisit and I love the fact that we had new things on our list, Tim, from the first time we talked about, um, some of those top 10 smells, um, and even though you live here, Lisa and Tim, you come down, if you could sort of just snap your fingers right now and be anywhere in Walt Disney world, just to sort of have that sensation of a particular scent, where would you go to.

Tim Foster: Oh, you took mine. Well, I'm going to go sit in front of the grand canyon fireplace and the wilderness lodge. Oh, that's a better answer. Anyway. Now I like your, uh, we'll we'll trade answers. Cause I like, what

Lou Mongello: about you, Lou? Where are you going? Man? At Rome? Burning is compelling, bad burning is really, really compelling, but I don't want to be weird and be stuck in front of Rome, burning with you for hours again.

Um, I got me, I'm thinking about some of the only weird if you make it real well and that's where we are. Um, [01:20:00] maybe, maybe it would be, you know what I'll I'll go to that, that smell of Christmas because it gives me the apples and the cinnamon and pine

Lisa DiNoto Glassner: tree. I would have met you there.

Tim Foster: Oh wait. Oh, right. We'll all go to

Lou Mongello: Japan when we're done to I'm looking we're so far away...